Texas Tesla Tragedy

[kdryden99]

Is it possible that there was a person driving the car and that the person escaped and is now being protected by the other family members. I only ask because this seems like something that could be very possible yet not discussed.

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[Regularmache]

What is wrong with us that we blame a company for our individual recklessness?

I can tape the blade guard of my circular saw back to provide quicker cuts. Now when It's done contacting the 2x4 the uncovered spinning blade cuts my arm off, it's the companies fault?

I can "Fool the Fasten Seatbelt reminder by buckling it, then getting in the car thus sitting on it and when I smash into a object, I fly unrestrained through the windshield and die, it's the car companies fault?

People need to own their stupidity period and the rest of us need to call them out!

 

[buffasnow]

here's the actual quote. Unlikely TACC nor AP was engaged.
" In that vein, we did a study with them over the past week to understand what happened in that particular crash. And what we've learned from that effort was that Autosteer did not and could not engage on the road condition that -- as it was designed. Our adaptive cruise control only engage when a driver was buckled in about 5 miles per hour. And it only accelerated to 30 miles per hour with the distance before the car crashed. "

CNN, poor journalism.

I don't know if the CNN article has been updated, but it says:

>Lars Moravy, Tesla's vice president of vehicle engineering,
>said on the company's earnings call Monday that Tesla's
>adaptive cruise control was engaged and accelerated to
>30 mph before the car crashed.

and:

>"There was an article regarding a tragedy where there was a
>high-speed accident in a Tesla. But and there was really just
>extremely deceptive media practices where it was claimed to
>be Autopilot when this is completely false," Musk responded.
>Musk did not make clear if he was referring to the Texas crash,
>or another crash. He referenced a "high-speed" crash, but Moravy
>later said the Model S in Texas accelerated to 30mph.

So per a Tesla VP, ACC was engaged and the car was traveling 30MPH.

1. If Musk was talking about Texas, is 30MPH high speed? Relative to the tree, I guess.
2. The CNN description of Moravy's ACC use statement (and the expanded verbatim) seems accurate.
3. Driver assist considerations aside, are the post-accident crash pics a reasonable expectation of what one should expect when a Tesla hits a fixed object at 30MPH?

 

[Regularmache]

I don't know if the CNN article has been updated, but it says:

>Lars Moravy, Tesla's vice president of vehicle engineering,
>said on the company's earnings call Monday that Tesla's
>adaptive cruise control was engaged and accelerated to
>30 mph before the car crashed.

and:

>"There was an article regarding a tragedy where there was a
>high-speed accident in a Tesla. But and there was really just
>extremely deceptive media practices where it was claimed to
>be Autopilot when this is completely false," Musk responded.
>Musk did not make clear if he was referring to the Texas crash,
>or another crash. He referenced a "high-speed" crash, but Moravy
>later said the Model S in Texas accelerated to 30mph.

So per a Tesla VP, ACC was engaged and the car was traveling 30MPH.

1. If Musk was talking about Texas, is 30MPH high speed? Relative to the tree, I guess.
2. The CNN description of Moravy's ACC use statement (and the expanded verbatim) seems accurate.
3. Driver assist considerations aside, are the post-accident crash pics a reasonable expectation of what one should expect when a Tesla hits a fixed object at 30MPH?

This is the real question and if I was Tesla, it's one I would rather media/people NOT highlight. Even if someone was in the driver seat, should 30 mph be fatal".

Princess Diana's Mercedes was a violent crash, but she didn't burn to death.

If I was Tesla, I would spend some time investigating why this was fatal; operator stupidity aside.

 

[pt19713]

I don't know if the CNN article has been updated, but it says:

>Lars Moravy, Tesla's vice president of vehicle engineering,
>said on the company's earnings call Monday that Tesla's
>adaptive cruise control was engaged and accelerated to
>30 mph before the car crashed.

and:

>"There was an article regarding a tragedy where there was a
>high-speed accident in a Tesla. But and there was really just
>extremely deceptive media practices where it was claimed to
>be Autopilot when this is completely false," Musk responded.
>Musk did not make clear if he was referring to the Texas crash,
>or another crash. He referenced a "high-speed" crash, but Moravy
>later said the Model S in Texas accelerated to 30mph.

So per a Tesla VP, ACC was engaged and the car was traveling 30MPH.

1. If Musk was talking about Texas, is 30MPH high speed? Relative to the tree, I guess.
2. The CNN description of Moravy's ACC use statement (and the expanded verbatim) seems accurate.
3. Driver assist considerations aside, are the post-accident crash pics a reasonable expectation of what one should expect when a Tesla hits a fixed object at 30MPH?

My quote is directly from Lars' transcript from the earnings report. I don't know why or how CNN interpreted it, but their article is wrong.

 

[pt19713]

I don't know if the CNN article has been updated, but it says:

>Lars Moravy, Tesla's vice president of vehicle engineering,
>said on the company's earnings call Monday that Tesla's
>adaptive cruise control was engaged and accelerated to
>30 mph before the car crashed.

and:

>"There was an article regarding a tragedy where there was a
>high-speed accident in a Tesla. But and there was really just
>extremely deceptive media practices where it was claimed to
>be Autopilot when this is completely false," Musk responded.
>Musk did not make clear if he was referring to the Texas crash,
>or another crash. He referenced a "high-speed" crash, but Moravy
>later said the Model S in Texas accelerated to 30mph.

So per a Tesla VP, ACC was engaged and the car was traveling 30MPH.

1. If Musk was talking about Texas, is 30MPH high speed? Relative to the tree, I guess.
2. The CNN description of Moravy's ACC use statement (and the expanded verbatim) seems accurate.
3. Driver assist considerations aside, are the post-accident crash pics a reasonable expectation of what one should expect when a Tesla hits a fixed object at 30MPH?

The actual crash itself wasn't at 30mph. The quote you're seeing is from Tesla's tests to try and recreate the scene. When they engaged TACC, it would only get to 30 mph. If the accident was at a "high speed" the TACC isn't able to achieve a speed above 30 mph.

 

[buffasnow]

The actual crash itself wasn't at 30mph. The quote you're seeing is from Tesla's tests to try and recreate the scene. When they engaged TACC, it would only get to 30 mph. If the accident was at a "high speed" the TACC isn't able to achieve a speed above 30 mph.

Ah, I see your point - so Tesla did not say that ACC was engaged in this crash, only that in their tests, ACC would not allow >30MPH in the absence of any other input, right? So has Tesla definitively stated that ACC was or was not engaged at the time of the crash? If so, the question would be is whether one of the occupants of the car was able to engage ACC and then somehow make the car accelerate past 30MPH? Did Tesla state what the actual speed was at impact?

 

[pt19713]

Ah, I see your point - so Tesla did not say that ACC was engaged in this crash, only that in their tests, ACC would not allow >30MPH in the absence of any other input, right? So has Tesla definitively stated that ACC was or was not engaged at the time of the crash? If so, the question would be is whether one of the occupants of the car was able to engage ACC and then somehow make the car accelerate past 30MPH? Did Tesla state what the actual speed was at impact?

Correct. The news /media is taking the Lars quote and running with it, not fully understanding the tech terms or manipulating the words on purpose.

Most likely there will be a statement made once the investigation is complete and the results are provided to the public. Unfortunately the damage by the media is already done. This happened to Tesla multiple times in the past. No one really cares 2-3 months from now what the facts are, unfortunately.

The only explanation I have for this is to have the seat belt buckled, and then getting the car engaged in AP or TACC, and then jumping into the back seat. This will bypass the safety measures and prevent the car from slowing down. If the crash was at a high speed, there's still no explanation for that. *If* auto pilot was engaged, it can only go 5 mph over the posted speed limit on non-divided highways. If no speed limit sign is detected, the max speed it will go is 45 mph. *If* TACC was engaged, it will maintain the current speed, but it depends on the user setting. Based upon Lars quote mentioning 30 mph, I would have to believe that is the posted speed limit in the area.

It's possible to be going at a slower speed than the posted limit and you have the option to have it speed up to the speed limit but limited to 5 mph over the speed limit. In both situations, a high speed situation isn't possible. The only explanation, which is speculation at this point until more facts are released, was a driver input or manipulation of the accelerator pedal. I just don't see how APP or TACC is at fault.

 

[mr_raider]

What is wrong with us that we blame a company for our individual recklessness?

I can tape the blade guard of my circular saw back to provide quicker cuts. Now when It's done contacting the 2x4 the uncovered spinning blade cuts my arm off, it's the companies fault?

I can "Fool the Fasten Seatbelt reminder by buckling it, then getting in the car thus sitting on it and when I smash into a object, I fly unrestrained through the windshield and die, it's the car companies fault?

People need to own their stupidity period and the rest of us need to call them out!

It's Tesla's fault for not making a big sticker that says "Ass must be in contact with seat at all times"

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

What is wrong with us that we blame a company for our individual recklessness?

I can tape the blade guard of my circular saw back to provide quicker cuts. Now when It's done contacting the 2x4 the uncovered spinning blade cuts my arm off, it's the companies fault?

I can "Fool the Fasten Seatbelt reminder by buckling it, then getting in the car thus sitting on it and when I smash into a object, I fly unrestrained through the windshield and die, it's the car companies fault?

People need to own their stupidity period and the rest of us need to call them out!

sure, except other companies don't have this problem because they do proper driver monitoring.

I'm not sure why this is having to be repeated since this has been said over and over, but the reason Tesla is getting blamed is because Tesla refuses to implement basic safety features in the form of proper driver monitoring (you know, like "old, out of touch" GM and Ford do), and yet continuously oversell the capabilities of their system.

Tesla owns these deaths. There's zero debating that. They absolutely could have prevented them through basic driver monitoring they refuse to do, because Elon Musk is convinced he's smarter than he is.

And by the way, Tesla knows it, which is why Musk tweeted that Autopilot was off when he knew it was on in an effort to remove their corporate responsbility, and it's why he's hosting SNL.

I went for over 6 months on this forum without saying anything negative about Tesla, trying as hard as I could to bend over backwards in fairness to them, but they are long past the point of deserving any shadow of a doubt. Their range is a never-ending lie, their statements about their ADAS capabilities are a never-ending lie, their ability to make profit without the government's help (why do you think carbon credits exist? it's because of the US government!) is a lie, their insistence that their paint problems are all the EPA's fault is a lie... it's lie upon lie upon lie upon lie upon lie.

And as long as they get away with it, they will continue to own deaths.

 

[trutolife27]

sure, except other companies don't have this problem because they do proper driver monitoring.

I'm not sure why this is having to be repeated since this has been said over and over, but the reason Tesla is getting blamed is because Tesla refuses to implement basic safety features in the form of proper driver monitoring (you know, like "old, out of touch" GM and Ford do), and yet continuously oversell the capabilities of their system.

Tesla owns these deaths. There's zero debating that. They absolutely could have prevented them through basic driver monitoring they refuse to do, because Elon Musk is convinced he's smarter than he is.

And by the way, Tesla knows it, which is why Musk tweeted that Autopilot was off when he knew it was on in an effort to remove their corporate responsbility, and it's why he's hosting SNL.

I went for over 6 months on this forum without saying anything negative about Tesla, trying as hard as I could to bend over backwards in fairness to them, but they are long past the point of deserving any shadow of a doubt. Their range is a never-ending lie, their statements about their ADAS capabilities are a never-ending lie, their ability to make profit without the government's help (why do you think carbon credits exist? it's because of the US government!) is a lie, their insistence that their paint problems are all the EPA's fault is a lie... it's lie upon lie upon lie upon lie upon lie.

And as long as they get away with it, they will continue to own deaths.

 

[ChasingCoral]

It's Tesla's fault for not making a big sticker that says "Ass must be in contact with seat at all times"

Forget the seat, that ass should have stayed in contact with the steering wheel and brake.

 

[MachE1977]

Tesla is as much to blame as Ford is to blame for all the wrecks when Mustang drivers leave Cars and Coffee

It's all about personal responsibility. Are you going to blame Ford when Blues Clues in the Mach-E is hacked and we start seeing the same "social media stars" driving while sleeping.

I laugh every time some points to Musk and says "but he said......" Who the F is Musk to be paid attention too, it's not like he built Tesla, AP or FSD. He's just another used car salesman pitching his product, unfortunately there are clowns who hang on to his every word.

 

[trutolife27]

Tesla is as much to blame as Ford is to blame for all the wrecks when Mustang drivers leave Cars and Coffee

It's all about personal responsibility. Are you going to blame Ford when Blues Clues in the Mach-E is hacked and we start seeing the same "social media stars" driving while sleeping.

I laugh every time some points to Musk and says "but he said......" Who the F is Musk to be paid attention too, it's not like he built Tesla, AP or FSD. He's just another used car salesman pitching his product, unfortunately there are clowns who hang on to his every word.

no he is the CEO and he has said on many times many many times " its his baby". he is not another used car salesman and even points those kind things out in many of his speech's. Your remarks here are just Ludacris.

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