The model Y still has the edge for me....

[Jimrpa]

Ive waited this long, and will wait at least until tesla ships the 4680 based packs, but Id really like to see some more variety in the marketplace.

That’s fine. No need to rationalize or explain further. It does sound like, for your parameters, you’ve found the right answer for you. Not everyone likes butter pecan ice cream. That’s why there’s also chocolate and vanilla ?

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[AllenXS]

I wouldn't order that option anyway.

Telsa has has its share of problems and Im no Elon fanboy.

That said what I've learned from this site is that this Ford has basic problems no 100 year old car company should.

Why just a comparison with the Tesla vs. The MME?
What about the others on the market?

We are aware of the issues some people are having. Mine works great and charges good. My Tesla friends complain often of the wait times to charge.

Essentially if the charge time of the MME is too long, the Tesla you need to wait to charge, I agree with others, wait three years until range comes up and infrastructure is more widespread.

 

[JoeDimwit]

Will EA be able to service every car vendor outside of tesla in 3-5 years?

Seems unlikely at the current rate of growth.

I feel like EA, by going with a standard plug architecture, will be poised to grow explosively as more models from more brands come online than Tesla with their walled garden proprietary plugs.

I think within 5 years the ratio of Tesla chargers to non Tesla chargers will swing strongly to the non Tesla side.

 

[Davegvg]

1. I posted my experience.

2. this seems to be the case - you can either refute it with 3rd party data or you cant.

3. I saw the fit an finish problems here not on some other forum

I sold my lexus hybrid last month and am down to two trucks, Im in the market.

An entire lineup of bad transmissions is not " some bad experience" its major black eye to brand.

This bums me out as Ive enjoyed all my other ford product - they weren't perfect but were good enough to keep me away from the japanese.

Seems you cant refute my position on the vehicle so you attack me and stoop to name calling.

You still didnt answer the question.

 

[trutolife27]

I was hoping for some good discussion and links to more compelling metrics like Bjorn Nylands reviews.

I'm going to say this and leave it at this. If you want to come here and compare BEV. That is fine. If you're trying to make a decision and need help that is fine. Comments of "any" about past bad or good are an open door for comments on things you say. It's called "opinions".

Now facts. Right now Mache AWD EXT will go further than the Tesla model y long-range not counting highway miles. Maybe you don't know who some of the people are here but I have done this test a few times. Also again besides Edmonds, there are many youtube videos showing this also.

Unless you're buying a white model y and nothing else the cost is 52,000 now. Price keeps going up. But from the way you talk seems like most people also don't buy white. so that model y long-range can go up in cost for paint, wheels, and interior to an added cost of up to 5,000.

Now factor in the mache 0.9% financing rate vs tesla 2.49% and they don't have 3-year financing.

So the model y will cost more and less range. Each has a few features the other doesn't. Looks-wise is up to the person, but we all know who wins that award.
SO let's cut the charge time of your trip to the mache is 15 minutes longer to do the trip in real-time. You like the model y more because of 15 minutes? Well, you have your answer and can be on your way. But if 15 minutes is nothing compared to having a car that doesn't look like a catfish and is cheaper and better put together. Well, it's a different story.

 

[Davegvg]

Why just a comparison with the Tesla vs. The MME?
What about the others on the market?

We are aware of the issues some people are having. Mine works great and charges good. My Tesla friends complain often of the wait times to charge.

Essentially if the charge time of the MME is too long, the Tesla you need to wait to charge, I agree with others, wait three years until range comes up and infrastructure is more widespread.

Why just a comparison with the Tesla vs. The MME?
What about the others on the market?

We are aware of the issues some people are having. Mine works great and charges good. My Tesla friends complain often of the wait times to charge.

Essentially if the charge time of the MME is too long, the Tesla you need to wait to charge, I agree with others, wait three years until range comes up and infrastructure is more widespread.

Couple reasons - I like the mach E.
I can get over Fords slight to my kid for the right vehicle.


I have many employees with Teslas and have driven them long distances and think they make a pretty nice ride. Different and a bit austere but definitely workable.

I dont trust Hyundai/kia
GM'S offering isnt there.
Polestar - not a chance
Audi Porsche - I can afford them but wouldnt do it for a car Im just going to ut a bunch of miles on.
VW - only vehicle Id get from them is a golf GT.

The Rivian and F150 are interesting to me but then Id have 3 pickups.

Im taking this very trip tomorrow with my Ridgeline and another couple in a newer P100.

 

[AllenXS]

That's a good run down on the others

 

[JoeDimwit]

I love my Mach-E. If you feel like the Y is better suited to your use case, by all means get one. Hell, I work for Ford, and I had been considering a Tesla. Ultimately, my decision came down to “Buy what you build”, and I have been completely satisfied with my decision. Imperfections and all, this car has exceeded my expectations and won me over.

I’m still firmly in the #NotAMustang camp, but I’ll happily concede “Inspired by the Mustang”, or “The soul of a Mustang”, but you’ll notice that I very rarely call my car a “Mustang Mach-E”. It’s usually “My Mach-E” or “The Smurfmobile “.

this is the first car I’ve had in my 51 years on this planet that makes me want to learn more about detailing and paint care.

We all may have read you wrong, but you do come across as already having made up your mind that the Tesla is a better vehicle, and harping about build quality when primer is visible on the inside surfaces of hoods and trunks, or 6 different body panel seams having 6 different gap sizes, seems laughable. Are there fit and finish issues with the Mach-E? Yes. But remember, Ford is building a brand new (to them) vehicle from the ground up, in a brand new assembly plant, using brand new techniques, with brand new employees, and they haven’t built 20,000 of them yet. They still aren’t at full capacity, because they are learning the processes and working bugs out of the systems. Talk to me about fit and finish next year at about this time.

 

[Davegvg]

I'm going to say this and leave it at this. If you want to come here and compare BEV. That is fine. If you're trying to make a decision and need help that is fine. Comments of "any" about past bad or good are an open door for comments on things you say. It's called "opinions".

Now facts. Right now Mache AWD EXT will go further than the Tesla model y long-range not counting highway miles. Maybe you don't know who some of the people are here but I have done this test a few times. Also again besides Edmonds, there are many youtube videos showing this also.

Unless you're buying a white model y and nothing else the cost is 52,000 now. Price keeps going up. But from the way you talk seems like most people also don't buy white. so that model y long-range can go up in cost for paint, wheels, and interior to an added cost of up to 5,000.

Now factor in the mache 0.9% financing rate vs tesla 2.49% and they don't have 3-year financing.

So the model y will cost more and less range. Each has a few features the other doesn't. Looks-wise is up to the person, but we all know who wins that award.
SO let's cut the charge time of your trip to the mache is 15 minutes longer to do the trip in real-time. You like the model y more because of 15 minutes? Well, you have your answer and can be on your way. But if 15 minutes is nothing compared to having a car that doesn't look like a catfish and is cheaper and better put together. Well, it's a different story.

I get no one here wants to hear any bad experience about Ford, but Ill stay true to my experience good and bad regardless of this place.

To me the city range is meaningless on any BEV because it will be at home every night and I wont go through charge in a day in town.
The mach e should have more range as it's got a bigger battery all other things being equal.

TO my use its all about door to door time on a series of fixed long trips.

Having borrowed and driven most all them I want a BEV for a variety of reasons and will resign the long trip length for all the other bennies I get - a big one being able to charge from my home every night as well as being able to charge when the power is out from my genset as gas stations are down when power is down- and power has been going down a lot on the last two years in Nor cal.

Actually all my cars and trucks are white, I joked with the Honda guys that I would have bought he Black edition Ridgeline if I could have gotten it in white. Its hot here - really hot and white cars stay cooler longer. I also tow boats to Lake Havasu all the time and its get " trees chasing dogs" hot,

 

[dml105]

....all this time as in Ford is a decade late to the market.

So... you're criticizing Ford not having OTA's similar to Tesla's because Ford EVs are ten years newer than Tesla's?

This is trolling, right? If you want to buy a tesla, just freakin' buy a tesla.

I *really* don't understand the need for Tesla buyers to criticize Ford buyers, unless they realize that Teslas are ugly and with the beautiful Ford had some of the Tesla features they like.

 

[Davegvg]

I feel like EA, by going with a standard plug architecture, will be poised to grow explosively as more models from more brands come online than Tesla with their walled garden proprietary plugs.

I think within 5 years the ratio of Tesla chargers to non Tesla chargers will swing strongly to the non Tesla side.

You can use a CCS adapter with a tesla.

 

[Davegvg]

It seems significant in terms of charging speed, charge availability and routing to it, and OTA depth of function.

Im all over any actual information you can proffer vs attacking me.

 

[The Electric Duo]

I understand, they got the efficiency profiles from somewhere and have been pretty good at staying on top of reported curves.

Do you know of another 3rd party tool that will allow comparison of the two?

It will get more accurate when they have done real world data on the Mach-E. But you can look at some of the YouTube channels, Edmunds, etc., where they put them head to head on range. The Mach-E over performs and and the Y underperforms.

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