The only thing Tesla has over Mach-E

[tobiasjef]

If I am leaving a key card in the car why not just leave the keys in?

And @tobiasjef we also have a valet mode (which can use a different start code) you can hand them a slip of paper with the code, or write on the back of their paper ticket

does valet mode reduce acceleration? That is the important function because it would prevent valet from joy riding your car.

As far as accessing your car any time, that is not entirely true because the car relies on lead acid 12v battery to open the door. If they would switch to lithium ion you would get better lifespan (10+ years) and warning that it is going to fail.

And as far as leaving key card in the car it is no problem because the car has pin to drive, has a lockable glovebox, etc.

you can also hide the key card. It is so thin you can hide it almost anywhere

And no one goes out of their way to steal a tesla because it has too many security features.

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[Ahlarict]

does valet mode reduce acceleration? That is the important function because it would prevent valet from joy riding your car.

Ah, what's this? Now he's here to learn, not just proselytize? I'll take it as progress.

From a Ford manual "AI" assistant session:

Describe valet mode
Valet Mode allows you to secure your vehicle's settings while someone else is driving it. To enable Valet Mode, ensure your remote control is in the vehicle and follow these steps:

1. From the settings menu, press Valet Mode.
2. Enter a four-digit code to lock the touchscreen.
3. Re-enter the same four-digit code to complete enabling Valet Mode.

If the system detects a valid phone as a key, a valet passcode will display on the touchscreen. Provide the valet the first five digits of the valet passcode to unlock your vehicle and the eight-digit valet passcode to start and drive your vehicle. To disable Valet Mode:

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1. Press Exit Valet Mode.​

2. If a valid phone as a key is detected, Valet Mode will disable automatically. If not, you will need to enter your backup start passcode to disable it.​

What functions are limited in Valet Mode?
In Valet Mode, certain functions are limited to ensure the security of your vehicle. The valet will not have access to the full functionality of the vehicle, and you will need to provide them with a temporary valet passcode to unlock and start the vehicle. Additionally, if the system detects a valid phone as a key, it will disable valet mode automatically. If not, you will need to enter a backup start passcode to exit valet mode.

Does Valet Mode limit speed or acceleration?
(From Bing CoPilot this time) Yes, Valet Mode in the Mustang Mach-E does limit certain features, including speed and acceleration. It restricts the vehicle's performance to ensure safety and prevent misuse when the car is handed over to a valet. Additionally, it disables access to personal information and certain settings in the infotainment system. This mode is designed to give you peace of mind when someone else is driving your car.

 

[Jimrpa]

I can change my code after. Yes I have a door code to enter (like most fords since the 80s) and we have a start code to type to start our car. Something Tesla does not have.

Sadly, ford is removing keyless entry across all vehicles, supposedly because customers don’t use it.

 

[MacherAWD]

As far as accessing your car any time, that is not entirely true because the car relies on lead acid 12v battery to open the door. If they would switch to lithium ion you would get better lifespan (10+ years) and warning that it is going to fail.

Your right! Also an elephant could be sitting on my car making it unavailable Or some scary teens with sling shots could keep me from my car!

And am I correct in saying no one has ever been locked out of their Tesla before? Something dies and you cant get in? Or maybe something happens and you cant get out? Seems like there is history around this.

 

[tobiasjef]

Your right! Also an elephant could be sitting on my car making it unavailable Or some scary teens with sling shots could keep me from my car!

And am I correct in saying no one has ever been locked out of their Tesla before? Something dies and you cant get in? Or maybe something happens and you cant get out? Seems like there is history around this.

Tesla has electronic doors just like ford does. But tesla goes both ways in that the doors are frameless and electronic from the inside

They use lithium ion 16v batteries now so they do not fail like the old batteries did

Tesla doors do have manual release and in fact for many it is easier than finding the button on the door handle

 

[tobiasjef]

If we ignore the model Y which is technically the mach e competitor, I think the model 3 highland, model S, tesla roadster, and cybercab are arguably better looking with good proportions

Especially considering they are original designs and have good energy efficiency

lucid vehicles also look great

 

[Ahlarict]

If we ignore the model Y which is technically the mach e competitor, I think the model 3 highland, model S, tesla roadster, and cybercab are arguably better looking with good proportions

Especially considering they are original designs and have good energy efficiency

lucid vehicles also look great

I'm curious - what's your objective here? Like you, I purchased the car that ticked my boxes from a feature, style, and economics perspective. We came up with different answers to the same questions and that is ok. I admire Lucid and Tesla vehicles, but preferred to go with a car that has the more extensive service network and had a galloping pony on it.

I do personally despise Elon for a number of reasons, but even if he sold his interests in Tesla, resigned, wrote my children a personal apology letter and then admitted himself into a mental hospital for treatment, I would still have made the choice I did. I cross shopped a number of vehicles including the Model 3, Model S, Lucid Air, and others, but I like ponies and I hated the pre-refresh Model 3 I drove. I loved the Air and S, but they were much more expensive, and they don't share me and the Rally's enthusiasm for forest service roads.

Literally nobody on this forum bought their cars in complete ignorance of what Tesla had to offer, and in many cases, people bought the MME after having sold their Teslas. I'm glad you like your car. Elon may not paying for your efforts on his behalf, but I'm sure the other Telsa owners will be appreciative of your efforts to prop up the rapidly falling resale values of the glut of Teslas on the market right now...

 

[tobiasjef]

I'm curious - what's your objective here? Like you, I purchased the car that ticked my boxes from a feature, style, and economics perspective. We came up with different answers to the same questions and that is ok. I admire Lucid and Tesla vehicles, but preferred to go with a car that has the more extensive service network and had a galloping pony on it.

I do personally despise Elon for a number of reasons, but even if he sold his interests in Tesla, resigned, wrote my children a personal apology letter and then admitted himself into a mental hospital for treatment, I would still have made the choice I did. I cross shopped a number of vehicles including the Model 3, Model S, Lucid Air, and others, but I like ponies and I hated the pre-refresh Model 3 I drove. I loved the Air and S, but they were much more expensive, and they don't share me and the Rally's enthusiasm for forest service roads.

Literally nobody on this forum bought their cars in complete ignorance of what Tesla had to offer, and in many cases, people bought the MME after having sold their Teslas. I'm glad you like your car, but Elon is not paying for your efforts on his behalf.

The point of this thread is to simply list the features tesla has to offer. Nothing else

In that the "only" thing tesla has to offer is dog mode as per the original poster. Not the case.

And to a point tesla does not advertise what they have. Tesla has matrix headlights and auto dimming side mirrors. But it's not an advertised feature.

And then people get into a tesla and see a screen and assume there are no features because there are no buttons.

 

[Ahlarict]

The point of this thread is to simply list the features tesla has to offer. Nothing else

In that the "only" thing tesla has to offer is dog mode as per the original poster. Not the case.

And to a point tesla does not advertise what they have. Tesla has matrix headlights and auto dimming side mirrors. But it's not an advertised feature.

And then people get into a tesla and see a screen and assume there are no features because there are no buttons.

How's that rear wiper? /s

 

[tobiasjef]

How's that rear wiper? /s

you can bring up the rear cameras while driving

Edit:

Just checked and almost every manufacturer shuts off the rear camera at 5mph in the US. Not sure why tesla allows this and others don't.

These same cars allow the rear camera in other countries at high speeds

 

[kens]

Tesla has matrix headlights

Not yet though, right?

Matrix headlights are a new thing for the US, the law had to change to allow them. Last I knew Rivian had the only working matrix headlights. Tesla is expected to enable them on new cars through a software update eventually, but none of the old models have them. Many other car makers will follow suit, as they should.

I like Tesla. My own experience with a Model Y is what convinced me I did not want one. I like the features and tech, but the ride was awful and harsh, and cabin noise was unacceptable, my FSD demo was pretty bad too, made a lot of errors (last year though, I expect it's improved since, but I do not believe you that it can do everything perfectly indefinitely). The new Y sounds like a better car from the reviews, maybe when I'm ready to change in a few years it'll be better suited to me. I considered a used S or X, but they couldn't complete on price with my used Ford.

The Ford ticked the boxes. Better build quality than the Tesla's, better ride, much quieter, more comfortable, better performance. Not as good tech, but good enough. Still under warranty. To get a comparable drive and performance from Tesla I would've had to go to a new Y, or used X/S, which could not come close to the price point of the Ford.

 

[tobiasjef]

Not yet though, right?

Matrix headlights are a new thing for the US, the law had to change to allow them. Last I knew Rivian had the only working matrix headlights. Tesla is expected to enable them on new cars through a software update eventually, but none of the old models have them. Many other car makers will follow suit, as they should.

I like Tesla. My own experience with a Model Y is what convinced me I did not want one. I like the features and tech, but the ride was awful and harsh, and cabin noise was unacceptable, my FSD demo was pretty bad too, made a lot of errors (last year though, I expect it's improved since, but I do not believe you that it can do everything perfectly indefinitely). The new Y sounds like a better car from the reviews, maybe when I'm ready to change in a few years it'll be better suited to me. I considered a used S or X, but they couldn't complete on price with my used Ford.

The Ford ticked the boxes. Better build quality than the Tesla's, better ride, much quieter, more comfortable, better performance. Not as good tech, but good enough. Still under warranty. To get a comparable drive and performance from Tesla I would've had to go to a new Y, or used X/S, which could not come close to the price point of the Ford.

yes correct. New model Y has it but other cars do not.

It could also be that tesla paid for the testing of their matrix headlights and that's why they are approved. So tesla activating a feature on older cars relied on them spending money which is something other carmakers won't do

 

[tobiasjef]

Better build quality than the Tesla's, better ride, much quieter, more comfortable, better performance. Not as good tech, but good enough. Still under warranty. To get a comparable drive and performance from Tesla I would've had to go to a new Y, or used X/S, which could not come close to the price point of the Ford.

Keep in mind you have a 22 ford which is when tesla was at an all time high price. You could buy model Y brand new for $33K with inventory discounts just last week. If you compare to mach e that equivalent of a premium, extended range with the glass roof upcharge. The price difference is about $15K and with the 25% tarriff it will be a big difference.

And tesla can supposedly produce the new model Y for under $35K. Ford wishes they could make a car for that price

The problem is tesla's battery pack is 20% smaller than the mach e and they use 30 hrs less of labor.

Add in the fact that tesla does every safety feature with a single computer and a set of cameras and they probably save $10,000 in part costs and labor. Those ADAS and AEB systems are not cheap.

And as far as FSD, yes you can drive pretty much indefinitely now. FSD does have problems but it's mostly sign reading related and reacting to school zones, etc. There are also mapping issues where some areas have bad maps. You can manually fix any problem areas by reporting it to the mapping companies.

So provided you never enter a school zone while it is flashing (easy to do in my case) and don't have any odd signs that trip up fsd (which is usually not the case) there are basically no interventions anymore. Even the latest versions of FSD start from park (they exit my garage and auto open/close the garage door) and they can also park themselves.

latest fsd also pulls over for emergency vehicles but not 100% of the time. So as long as the rare time you need to pull over to the side of the road for an emergency vehicle goes without a hitch, then FSD can drive for a very long time

 

[kens]

Keep in mind you have a 22 ford which is when tesla was at an all time high price. You could buy model Y brand new for $33K with inventory discounts just last week. If you compare to mach e that equivalent of a premium, extended range with the glass roof upcharge. The price difference is about $15K and with the 25% tarriff it will be a big difference.

And tesla can supposedly produce the new model Y for under $35K. Ford wishes they could make a car for that price

I paid less than 17k for my GT after tax incentives, Tesla cannot come close to that for a two year old comparable car. The new Y is 52k right now, not 35k, the older model is coming in at 37k without FSD, but as I said above I don't like the older model. 8k extra is pretty ridiculous for FSD too. There is no 25% tariff against Ford, maybe someday, but not now. I expect the new model will come down in price eventually, but not there yet.

 

[tobiasjef]

I paid less than 17k for my GT after tax incentives, Tesla cannot come close to that for a two year old comparable car. The new Y is 52k right now, not 35k, the older model is coming in at 37k without FSD, but as I said above I don't like the older model. 8k extra is pretty ridiculous for FSD too. There is no 25% tariff against Ford, maybe someday, but not now. I expect the new model will come down in price eventually, but not there yet.

52k is the launch edition which is fully loaded with white interior, free paint color, larger wheels and full self driving and acceleration boost standard

The launch edition will end in a couple weeks and the price will match the old model Y.

There is a 25% tarriff against ford because the car is made in Mexico. It was suspended for 1 month, except that 1 month is before they are building many 2025 models

As far as pricing you have to look at tesla inventory. Tesla doesn't sell vehicles for "one price" despite what people believe. They have inventory discounts up to $5000 whenever they want to clearance old stock. They also sell showroom models which people have sat in

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