Way too DANGEROUS!

[Normalprotection]

The response by @Mirak makes a lot of sense and frankly I like the lack of alarmism.
I jumped on today to simply comment that there was an artifice in fortune and I was wondering why the Mache was excluded? And they included lame, partial electrics like the mini. Must be because they lack enough data history.

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[Kamuelaflyer]

Update: they have placed a hold on all programs/service/repair pertaining to the powertrain (yes, this includes the recall). All module functions for PCM, BECM, ABS, SOBDM, SOBDMB and SOBDMC have been disabled on FDRS.

While this is good news in the sense that nobody else will get the faulty software, it means that everyone who currently has their vehicle in the shop is going to have to wait even longer to get it back - likely weeks.

Did ford say this has to do with one pedal?

I can’t quote directly but yes, its the 1PD issue.

It was posted on Friday here.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...tions-halted-powertrain-software-issue.35324/

 

[bbulkow]

Did they halt the recall?

My reading was they halted a list of "programs", and one of those programs was the recall, no?

If you pause "updates", and a step of the recall is "apply updates".... but I'm not sure? Maybe they can do recalls without applying updates to the powertrain?

 

[miked47a]

Mine too.

Mine as well. Had the service done last week and it happened within 2 days of getting it back. 1P shuts off and you're basically coasting.

 

[Muse]

Likewise. The day after getting my car back post-HVBJB recall, 1pd software bug shows up and my car didn't brake in time. Had to stop, shut off car and switch on to revert 1pd settings.

 

[SlicerOnSteam]

Not doubting that 1PD no longer works, and sorry you are dealing with this, but can you clarify something--is it that the car no longer slows down with 1PD or is it actually accelerating too even with your foot off the accelerator pedal?

I wonder if it only feels like the speed increases. If you take your foot off the accelerator, the car should no longer be accelerating and would then travel at constant velocity in the absence of friction and wind resistance. In reality it should slow a bit because of those factors. Was your foot completely off the accelerator?

What a surprise, more people trying to gaslight people on this forum that nothing is wrong with these obviously junk Fords.

To the OP, hang in there! Ford is completely screwed on this unacceptable mess that is their whole EV strategy. You are absolutely right. Any sane person who has used and prefers 1-pedal drive understands how amazingly horrible it is to have it fail. In 1-pedal drive, foot off pedal is supposed to mean slow to a stop at max regen with brake assist if necessary. It should never create any feeling of not slowing down as you lift off of the pedal. The only thing that should ever produce that behavior is pushing the pedal back down.

We had had enough after only a few months before we discovered more in the huge pile of known issues and traded-in the 2021 Mach-E Select AWD on Friday for a 2019 Tesla Model 3 that is ludicrously superior in every way except the pony lights.

 

[RMoore]

What a surprise, more people trying to gaslight people on this forum that nothing is wrong with these obviously junk Fords.

To the OP, hang in there! Ford is completely screwed on this unacceptable mess that is their whole EV strategy. You are absolutely right. Any sane person who has used and prefers 1-pedal drive understands how amazingly horrible it is to have it fail. In 1-pedal drive, foot off pedal is supposed to mean slow to a stop at max regen with brake assist if necessary. It should never create any feeling of not slowing down as you lift off of the pedal. The only thing that should ever produce that behavior is pushing the pedal back down.

We had had enough after only a few months before we discovered more in the huge pile of known issues and traded-in the 2021 Mach-E Select AWD on Friday for a 2019 Tesla Model 3 that is ludicrously superior in every way except the pony lights.

If you read my comments it is clear I did not imply that nothing was wrong. To the contrary. I was only asking about whether something additional was wrong since a car can't accelerate if you take your foot off the pedal. If it did, that would point to a bigger problem.

 

[SlicerOnSteam]

Oddly they do ...

I know it's an utter pain in the ass to use it once you're used to 1pd but if it's possibly going to put you in danger it might well be worth going back to the archaic way nearly all other cars are driven.

In other words, Ford only makes copycat cars that fail often.

Tesla has this to set your full stop preference:

As well as an additional setting right below it to use the brakes anytime regen might not slow as fully as expected. It's just like touchscreens and autocruise - Ford can cheaply imitate the concepts but has no idea how to actually engineer them.

A 2020 Kia Niro Hybrid's autocruise is also laughably superior to the newer and much more expensive Mach-E's. These are just facts.

 

[SlicerOnSteam]

I wonder if it only feels like the speed increases.

Okay, you claim to be an honest helper. Let's see here, if 1 pedal drive fails and the car is pointed downhill... wow! That's acceleration!

Now if you are level or uphill, it will continue to slow down some, but not at the same rate you except and not at a slow enough rate to avoid collisions.

In any case, millions of neurons developed over millions of years are all firing like crazy to alert you to the fact that the large dangerous object you are in is now closing the distance on the other large dangerous object in front of you much faster than it should be. It's no different than driving an older Ford around and the clip that holds the brake line together fails (true story). Either way you have your foot on the control lever that should stop the car and it can't. The real difference maker was just the premium price.

 

[SlicerOnSteam]

No, I am not casting fault on OP. I'm simply saying when I, for example, sit in the pilot, command seat, of this car, I must be prepared to immediately take control of the machine if the electronic wizardry lets me down.

I appreciate you, but you are wrong on this one.

It's like putting a pilot in the command seat with a lever in front of them that will break off and fail to steer the plane during landing.

All wizardry apologetics to the side. We are not the ones who decided to put this failing tech into a production car at a premium price!

I'll give you another great example after 6 months of Mach-E usage and only 2 days of Model 3 usage. When Ford's autosteer can't handle something, which is way too often, it immediately beeps and the user has to take over both pedal control and steering. When the Model 3 sees sharp turns or traffic cones, it simply slows down and continues to do its best until the driver takes over. I got through cones in a work zone on my first interstate trip without having to take over. It slowed down and did fine while I knew to pay extra close attention and be ready.

When the ford dropped auto it would just start coasting into the nearest wall at almost full speed. The bottom line is just that Ford's effort is nowhere close to a legitimate attempt to make a good car. It's just a cash grab with a well known logo. If this is the best they can do when actually trying they need to give up quickly. And again, it was not our responsibility to assemble a team of the best modern car engineers - that was Ford's job if they ever actually intended to compete.

At this point, I just can't see any legitimacy in Ford's efforts. I mean our whole touchscreen crashed and rebooted multiple times when trying to connect a phone. Even while driving! Exception handling is a well-known software engineering concept covered in middle schools these days! Good job getting the Windows Me engineers to build your modern car software stack in 2020.

 

[azerik]

In other words, Ford only makes copycat cars that fail often.

Tesla has this to set your full stop preference:

As well as an additional setting right below it to use the brakes anytime regen might not slow as fully as expected. It's just like touchscreens and autocruise - Ford can cheaply imitate the concepts but has no idea how to actually engineer them.

A 2020 Kia Niro Hybrid's autocruise is also laughably superior to the newer and much more expensive Mach-E's. These are just facts.

I had to reread this several times. And Nope, it's not related to what I had said at all.

 

[KDub]

Same. Got HVJB recall done. Two for two on 1-pedal drive failure. First time in 3 years. @Ford Motor Company

 

[SlicerOnSteam]

I had to reread this several times. And Nope, it's not related to what I had said at all.

You had the audacity to post a pic of a brake pedal when it is 100% clear the OP intended to have the car in 1-pedal drive mode and there is a real problem here.

Another good point here is that autosteer and self drive are marked as beta features in the tesla and not on by default. AFAIR, Ford's junk that doesn't work like speed sign recognition and autocruise was all turned on by default. And 1 pedal drive is definitely not flagged as a beta feature. My Mach-E went by a HIGHWAY 70 sign in a residential area and set the SPEED LIMIT to 70 mph! So we now know for sure they took some ludicrously reckless shortcuts on sign recognition. It just keeps getting deeper.

 

[Snakebitten]

I used to have a 2018 Leaf.
I learned so much about that car, and EV's in general, from the Leaf forum.
Both the experience and the education lead to my acquisition of the Mach-E.

I haven't visited the Leaf forum since.

Certainly not to poke the current Leaf owners in the eye.
It's not even tempting.

 

[azerik]

You had the audacity to post a pic of a brake pedal when it is 100% clear the OP intended to have the car in 1-pedal drive mode and there is a real problem here.

I can't believe myself. Thank you for pointing out how flawed I am in thinking of giving the OP an option to NOT GET INTO AN ACCIDENT. But seeing as you and the OP INSIST to ONLY drive in 1PD godspeed into the back of the unlucky contestant. Perhaps you can try to take FORD to court after CONTINUOUSLY IGNORING the failure. Good luck.

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