Will the 2022 GT/GTPE be faster than 2021 model?

[phil]

And I know this may sound silly, but I *wonder* if the reduction of power only comes on if the pedal is completely pressed down. That’s how their wording makes it seem, but that’s a literal reading of it.

When I am being fed a giant load of crap by a car company, I always try not to take it too literally.

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[AKgrampy]

Not necessarily. They didn’t advertise (and still don’t even acknowledge) the 5 second limit.

If they remove it, it won’t change advertised 0-60 nor advertised peak hp and tq.

Hopefully as the 2022s start showing up people can test it all for us.

Honestly, the fact that they DON’T advertise it is what gives me hope that it will change.

My point exactly. They advertise 0 - 60 speed but do not advertise the power limit after 5 seconds. So perhaps the power limit will be changed but if the 0 - 60 time was to be decreased I would think they would brag about that. My thought was the OP was referring to 0 - 60 acceleration but if referring to top speed then my comment is off-base!

 

[Electric Goat]

IMO, someone will come up with an aftermarket tune if ford doesn't raise the boost limit. It's just a matter of time. There is, without a doubt, a hardware limit but I'm 100% confident that the car can sustain full power for more than 5 seconds. It's engineering limit could be something like 15 to 20 seconds. Ford is just playing it super safe with a 5 second cap because this is their first EV and they still don't know WTF they're doing.

 

[Mach1E]

not really. Just need to get dragy, and do each car independently. Start at 72mph when the bar shows up and accelerate to 110. See how long it takes.

We know that the GT cut power above 72mph whether you're just cruising at 72 then decide to accelerate to pass, or if you've started from 0. I just want to know if the cutoff is the same amount. I.e. based on speed, or heat generated.

That’s true, they could race the clock. But wouldn’t really be a roll race (side by side).

At least it would answer the question.

But the answer is still- GT is faster.

There is a video on the GT owners page on Facebook of a 73-124 mph run in a GTPE. And unlike the autobahn video, it’s warm out and high state of charge.

Here’s the thread where I posted screenshots (since I couldn’t link a FB video):

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/highway-passing-to-top-speed-video-fast.13479/

73-110 was about 6 seconds.

 

[Mach1E]

I stumbled across it in the last month because I was researching some more info on the GTPE before I bought it.

Not sure when this was first posted on Ford.com, but the fact they call it a “boost” maybe gives hope they can improve it to 7 seconds or 9 seconds, etc.

And I know this may sound silly, but I *wonder* if the reduction of power only comes on if the pedal is completely pressed down. That’s how their wording makes it seem, but that’s a literal reading of it. But would be interesting to see if a *near*-pedal down acceleration would not kick in the 5 second max power and instead allow near full power but unlimited.

Yeah people speculated if you could somehow go 95% power to “trick” the computer to give you more than 5 seconds.

You can’t.

Even near full throttle starts the 5 second clock.

And if the clock doesn’t limit you, the “other” limit is a calculation of battery discharge amount over time.

That’s why there’s an additional limit (not the 5 seconds) if you floor it back to back or if driving at highway speeds.

And even more limits exist based on state of charge, battery temp (too hot or too cold) and external temps.

The power gauge is very easy to read when and what pulls power. Plus a video of a guy who spent hours talking to Ford engineers about it explained some of it.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

That’s true, they could race the clock. But wouldn’t really be a roll race (side by side).

At least it would answer the question.

But the answer is still- GT is faster.

There is a video on the GT owners page on Facebook of a 73-124 mph run in a GTPE. And unlike the autobahn video, it’s warm out and high state of charge.

Here’s the thread where I posted screenshots (since I couldn’t link a FB video):

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/highway-passing-to-top-speed-video-fast.13479/

73-110 was about 6 seconds.

Nice. that's fast enough for me for 99.9% of my driving. That was my last concern.

I had a cx-5 that I swear did 80-90 in something like 20 seconds. I wound floor it and the care would just grunt and makes all kind of engine and exhaust noise, but I swear the car did not accelerate much. Hwy passing was interesting to say the least.

 

[Mach1E]

Nice. that's fast enough for me for 99.9% of my driving. That was my last concern.

I had a cx-5 that I swear did 80-90 in something like 20 seconds. I wound floor it and the care would just grunt and makes all kind of engine and exhaust noise, but I swear the car did not accelerate much. Hwy passing was interesting to say the least.

The other thing that makes the highway passing speed “plenty” is zero lag. No waiting for a downshift or power to build. Just stab and go.

Highway racing on the other hand….. don’t bother. All those cars you can crush at a stoplight will want a 2nd shot.

 

[robbinbadams]

I'm picking up mine this week. I'll let you know. But I'm not optimistic on the 10secs. From all the discussion, it seems to be a hardware issue and not software. Ford just doesn't have enough sensors to monitor all the components hence they are being overly cautious. That's not going to change for a big company like Ford. All the bad reviews (regarding the 5 sec limitation) are out there already. Can't hurt Ford anymore.

My guess is in a year or two they'll come out with a beef up GT500 special edition with more cooling and extend the 5 sec limit. Of course that comes with a "premium"

My dealer told me they were still taking orders.

 

[MME Farmer]

I stumbled across it in the last month because I was researching some more info on the GTPE before I bought it.

Not sure when this was first posted on Ford.com, but the fact they call it a “boost” maybe gives hope they can improve it to 7 seconds or 9 seconds, etc.

And I know this may sound silly, but I *wonder* if the reduction of power only comes on if the pedal is completely pressed down. That’s how their wording makes it seem, but that’s a literal reading of it. But would be interesting to see if a *near*-pedal down acceleration would not kick in the 5 second max power and instead allow near full power but unlimited.

I find this quite interesting, with my GTPE it seems if you give it 3/4 pedal after a light or turning the front tires will usually slip. When trying 0-60 at full pedal it isn't often that they do.

 

[Mach1E]

I find this quite interesting, with my GTPE it seems if you give it 3/4 pedal after a light or turning the front tires will usually slip. When trying 0-60 at full pedal it isn't often that they do.

Mine spin in both situations.

Only way they don’t is if I ease into it.

But even from a 20-25 roll they spin. You can hear it in this video I took.

 

[ctenidae]

Interesting, that FAQ says the top speed is limited to 124mph. While I didn't necessarily expect 155 (though BEVs kind of eliminate the reasons behind that agreement), 124 seems low. Not that it's useful to go faster, but they put 149mph V rated tires on as OEM on the GT (not PE). Interesting.

 

[Mach1E]

Interesting, that FAQ says the top speed is limited to 124mph. While I didn't necessarily expect 155 (though BEVs kind of eliminate the reasons behind that agreement), 124 seems low. Not that it's useful to go faster, but they put 149mph V rated tires on as OEM on the GT (not PE). Interesting.

Yup. In this case top speed is gearing limited.

Some ICE vehicles do limit speed unnaturally because of the tire speed rating as you’re alluding to.

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