Will the 5s limiter ever be removed?

[n2585722]

It is my understanding that in 2024 they added more hardware for temp of motors and other items in the motor drive circuitry and now it backs off due temp of those parts and other variables instead of being timed. So it will depend a lot on the temp of the car circuitry when you punch it on the newer models. I don't think the older models have the hardware to support doing it on them.

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[silverelan]

It is my understanding that in 2024 they added more hardware for temp of motors and other items in the motor drive circuitry and now it backs off due temp of those parts and other variables instead of being timed. So it will depend a lot on the temp of the car circuitry when you punch it on the newer models. I don't think the older models have the hardware to support doing it on them.

The 2024s also have a different rear motor than all the 21-23 cars. The thing is, the motors were never the limiting factor for the 5 Second Rule since it’s always been said the bus bars were the choke point and those are still the same. There’s nothing stopping Ford from revising the profile on the 21-23 GTs to take advantage of the new modeling they’ve done for the 2024s.

 

[n2585722]

The 2024s also have a different rear motor than all the 21-23 cars. The thing is, the motors were never the limiting factor for the 5 Second Rule since it’s always been said the bus bars were the choke point and those are still the same. There’s nothing stopping Ford from revising the profile on the 21-23 GTs to take advantage of the new modeling they’ve done for the 2024s.

They probably added temp sensors to those bars so they can pull back as thing start getting hot. With older ones it is done with a time limit. The backing off will be m

 

[silverelan]

They probably added temp sensors to those bars so they can pull back as thing start getting hot. With older ones it is done with a time limit. The backing off will be m

iirc, when Chief Engineer Donna Dickson was asked about the WOT limiter at the 2024 model year launch event in May 2024 in Bellevue, WA, Donna said that the limiter change was due to new modeling and not from any hardware changes.

 

[n2585722]

iirc, when Chief Engineer Donna Dickson was asked about the WOT limiter at the 2024 model year launch event in May 2024 in Bellevue, WA, Donna said that the limiter change was due to new modeling and not from any hardware changes.

In my 2023 GTPE I never noticed the 5 second limit but I don't normally put the pedal to the metal or leave down for 5 seconds. It does not take that long to get to the speed I want to go. I now have the 2024 GT with the performance upgrade and do not really notice a difference in the performance but I am not racing it either.

 

[silverelan]

In my 2023 GTPE I never noticed the 5 second limit but I don't normally put the pedal to the metal or leave down for 5 seconds. It does not take that long to get to the speed I want to go. I now have the 2024 GT with the performance upgrade and do not really notice a difference in the performance but I am not racing it either.

I can feel it in certain highway passing conditions. It’s uncool and needs adjusting.

 

[n2585722]

I can feel it in certain highway passing conditions. It’s uncool and needs adjusting.

We have a stretch of tollway that has a 85mph speed limit on it. I don't remember it being an issue but I was usually merging from another tollway so it was not like I was going from 0-85, more like 70-85. Most of the freeways and tollways have 75mph speed limits.

 

[MatchaGT]

I do a lot of drag racing with mine and drive it like it's meant to be driven. I have not seen any jail bars show up while accelerating hard, even 0-120mph, except for the normal jail bars you get when the charge percentage drops below the threshold set by Ford. They did a great job with that. The 24 hits 100 over 3.5 seconds faster and is traveling 12 mph + at the end of the 1/4 mile compared to the 21-23 GTPE. That should give the indication that it's a huge improvement over the 21-23 between power limits and better engineering with the new hardware/ software and electric motor

 

[Mach1E]

In my 2023 GTPE I never noticed the 5 second limit but I don't normally put the pedal to the metal or leave down for 5 seconds. It does not take that long to get to the speed I want to go. I now have the 2024 GT with the performance upgrade and do not really notice a difference in the performance but I am not racing it either.

Well if you don’t floor it and/or don’t hit high speeds, you’ll never notice the extra power nor lack there of.

If you do floor it or do a 1/4 mile race to 115 mph or so, the difference is drastic. Like 6 car lengths difference to that speed.

 

[blueovaltech]

The 24+ definitely has a noticeable difference for sure, mainly past 80ish MPH, the '24 absolutely destroys the '23 and older model.

I heavily raced my '23, and now this '24 (which has the Performance Upgrade software download), and the improvement is pretty large all around. The '24 does have more punch off the line, then about 30-60ish MPH they are similar, then past 70-80ish the '24 just takes off when the 23's jail bars start to appear.

The '24 also has jail bars, they will appear just after 1/4 mile. And, if you try and do another full power pull immediately after, you'll get the jailbars sooner than 1/4 mile. It appears there is a slight cool down time to get the full power back for the duration of a 1/4 mile, vs on the '23 you could pretty much do hit after hit after hit and aside from SOC affecting the power once the car hits 74% SOC at roughly 80 degrees batt temp and above.

The battery SOC jailbars appear to be the same as '23 and down, first appearing at 74% SOC. Still testing and mapping all of this out as we prepare for Race Week '25 with this '24.

Here's a video from my testing last fall on the '24 at the track:

 

[ponEpwr]

anyone have a side by side video of a 24+ next to a 23 or less in a 1/4 mile drag race? It’d be neat to see how the numbers work out visually.

 

[load97]

anyone have a side by side video of a 24+ next to a 23 or less in a 1/4 mile drag race? It’d be neat to see how the numbers work out visually.

At one time I thought there was a video, but it may have been someone talking about doing the video or they just posted results from using a Dragy device.

 

[blueovaltech]

anyone have a side by side video of a 24+ next to a 23 or less in a 1/4 mile drag race? It’d be neat to see how the numbers work out visually.

I do. However, it's in Mexico unfortunately so not internet worthy......

The only time the '23 is even close to matching the'24 is from about 30mph until 60ish, it's only a slight pull. After that, it's reallllly ugly for the '23. But, given up top the '24 has 13 mph trap speed difference, that's to be expected.

The '24 also has a faster 60ft, likely due to the higher torque rear motor, as my '24 routinely runs a 1.75ish 60' vs the 23's 1.8x 60ft.

If you're into racing, or just wanting an all around faster car, the '24 is the way even without the performance upgrade download, as the standard GT has about 7mph more trap speed than the '23's.

 

[Mach1E]

I do. However, it's in Mexico unfortunately so not internet worthy......

The only time the '23 is even close to matching the'24 is from about 30mph until 60ish, it's only a slight pull. After that, it's reallllly ugly for the '23. But, given up top the '24 has 13 mph trap speed difference, that's to be expected.

The '24 also has a faster 60ft, likely due to the higher torque rear motor, as my '24 routinely runs a 1.75ish 60' vs the 23's 1.8x 60ft.

If you're into racing, or just wanting an all around faster car, the '24 is the way even without the performance upgrade download, as the standard GT has about 7mph more trap speed than the '23's.

Someone posted a photo on Facebook (but not the video) of the difference at the 1/4 mile mark-

What’s wrong with posting a video from Mexico that you found randomly on the internet and clearly wasn’t you driving?

The internet is FULL of those videos.

 

[blueovaltech]

^ that *might be a screen cap from said video.

Taken exactly at the 1/4 mile mark

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