Your MME May Also Have a Failed Oil Pump

[EMachE]

A code as shown in the OBD2 diagnostic dumps. No warning or error is shown on the IPC screen is my understanding to date.

I am not sure they would of ever found out if they did not known the problem and test it. 140 km/hr is my normal top end 2 way passing at 160 it can float. Really don't want to get caught doing even that so they are for only split seconds

May be it does not need the pump until it hits those rpm's? Maybe the pumps are duds? May be the vehicle would burn out the motor with no pump below 90 mph but then why no idiot box?

To OP. Normally you can tell if the motor is burnt by the smell of the lubricant that comes out. Maybe ask them if the gear oil smelt/looked OK? They should know what they are doing, mine does, but I have read stories that not all dealers are created equal. Your #2 issue is the only one. Hope a speedy fix for you. After that test some more.

I know it will go up to 185km/hr.

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[Robob]

Also from the weber motor tear down, or post on here I thought each drive unit does have a spin on filter for the fluid but I do watch a lot of tear downs so who knows.

On the bright side at least we can still hit 88 mph to get back to the future
and an excuse to get the daily triple digits test on the IPC/Oil pump checkup

 

[fangfow]

That was probably my post you're referring to; unfortunately for me my car has been at the dealership 3 weeks now; service advisor just keeps saying they're back up and super behind; only have 1 EV tech available; so no real update on the condition of my vehicle.

 

[Lance R]

Also from the weber motor tear down, or post on here I thought each drive unit does have a spin on filter for the fluid but I do watch a lot of tear downs so who knows.

On the bright side at least we can still hit 88 mph to get back to the future
and an excuse to get the daily triple digits test on the IPC/Oil pump checkup

An initial response to my post on this thread contained a link to another post on this...gist is, no filters, and a recommendation to change the fluid after something like 100K miles.

 

[axelheimer24]

Honestly, what’s the point in exceeding 88MPH when our HVB doesn’t have the necessary 1.21 gigawatts necessary to power the flux capacitor?

 

[fangfow]

Honestly, what’s the point in exceeding 88MPH when our HVB doesn’t have the necessary 1.21 gigawatts necessary to power the flux capacitor?

Another design flaw ?‍?

 

[Jerrytball]

I guess I’m gonna have to read my manual on this as a very new owner. I always disregard these letters from Ford service saying drop by and have your oil changed and I laugh because I’m like that’s why I bought an electric car because I no longer need to have the oil changed, so I need to identify on my car where this oil exist, I thought it was just a self-contained electric motor in it sorry for being ignorant guys. I’m a gasoline guy lol this is all new to me.

 

[Tscates1]

Honestly, what’s the point in exceeding 88MPH when our HVB doesn’t have the necessary 1.21 gigawatts necessary to power the flux capacitor?

This is what I was thinking as well - will be confusing when you hit 88 mph and can't make the jump

 

[Shayne]

I guess I’m gonna have to read my manual on this as a very new owner. I always disregard these letters from Ford service saying drop by and have your oil changed and I laugh because I’m like that’s why I bought an electric car because I no longer need to have the oil changed, so I need to identify on my car where this oil exist, I thought it was just a self-contained electric motor in it sorry for being ignorant guys. I’m a gasoline guy lol this is all new to me.

Just like the gas ones once every 10 years you will need to change the oil.

From the manual
At 10 years or 150,000 mi (240,000 km) Change the transmission fluid.

 

[RandyMache]

There are at least threads on this topic – one directly on it that covers it very well, from May 2023, and one from last Friday that helped me, tremendously – both are linked, below. However, I think this warrants another direct thread to catch more attention, and I have two follow up questions.

I get an email from the forum every day with the day’s most popular new posts. I scan it, and read posts that seem of interest. Last Friday, I read a post regarding a user whose car would not go faster than 88MPH. Turns out, that user had a failed Oil Pump. This throws a code (P0C2A), but gives the driver no indication, other than the car won’t go faster than 88 MPH.

The strings confirm, and this is perplexing, but the only two ways you know if your car has this failure is if you scan the ODBII port for DTC P0C2A, OR, you try to drive faster than 88 MPH. That’s it – NO OTHER INDICATION of this issue.

Yesterday, when passing traffic on a freeway, I realized my car was stuck at 88 MPH. Had I not happened to read the post on Friday, I’m not sure I would have realized it was limited, as I didn’t need to go that fast, but since I was north of 85 MPH, anyway at that point, I figured I’d do a quick check – only to find out my car was limited to 88 MPH. Really, just a stroke of luck and the gumption to try 20 MPH over the posted speed limit.

I took it to a dealer last night, they have identified the failed oil pump code, have a new oil pump on order, and I’m in a loaner until, likely, Monday. So, issue #1 – there are several of us that have only identified this failure in their car by driving fast, or self-scanning – so you could very well have a failure you don’t know about if you haven’t done one of those things, recently.

Second issue – my dealer drained all the oil from the affected motor, noted a level of metal shavings, but not enough to indicate significant damage for the tech working on it, nor something that they felt required a warranty replacement of the motor. This is the second reason for this post – is the presence of metal shavings indicative of a terminal failure of a motor? If so, how do I convince my dealer to change that out under warranty, as well?

Third reason for this post; I was surprised to learn our cars have oil pumps to lubricate the motors. Generally, if something has oil, it also has an oil filter, and a recommended oil change interval. I’m not aware of either of those in the MME – have I missed this?

I’m in a ‘21 Job 2 GT, with 37K miles, BTW.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-soon-facts-and-info-p0c2a-p2796-p2797.27802/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/2022-gt-all-of-a-sudden-cant-go-over-87-mph.34427/

Sealed oil lines don't need a filter because no air intake can get to it to make it dirty.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Sealed oil lines don't need a filter because no air intake can get to it to make it dirty.

There are still metal shavings and wear particles. The drive units do have an integrated filter in the oil pickup IIRC.

 

[azerik]

Another design flaw ?‍?

I heard it's in BC 1.5.21 PU-Gaga-wtz

 

[Mach E 29]

I'm going through the same thing right now. Same codes, never a service light. Took it to the dealer they replaced the transmission fluid, the fuse and the Body control module. Left the dealership, same problem. Checked the codes myself. They came back before I even picked it up. Hopefully a new pump is on its way. Tech reported the transmission/motor fluid was clean. It's a 2021, preorder GT, only 21,000 miles. Kinda getting me worried.

 

[azerik]

It's not common from the looks of things. And quite possible there was a batch of sketchy pumps back then.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Took it to the dealer they replaced the transmission fluid, the fuse and the Body control module.

Why would they think those things would fix a stalled oil pump? smh

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