Longest Range Mustang Mach-E Charging Test | 10-80%

Eric_C_Boston · Apr 19, 2023

I do not know why @Mach-E VLOG has not posted this, although they released a lot of videos recently about the 2023 California Route 1 they are reviewing. The video is great for showing atypical DCFC session with the Mach-E.

I usually recharge on road trips when I get down to 20%, so the sessions for my 2021 ER RWD Premium are shorter than shown (35 to 40 minutes).

kltye · Apr 19, 2023

I will keep harping on this wherever I can, but @Ford Motor Company really, really needs to fix this lousy charging curve. I honestly don't see why they're not maintaining at least 90+kW deeper into the pack. That, and yes - PLEASE add charging details when plugged in. We aren't afraid numbers, I promise you @Ford Motor Company.

This is my version of @Jimrpa's frunk release ? (whose pain I also feel because I'm also a Job 1 owner).

Eric_C_Boston · Apr 19, 2023

kltye said:
I will keep harping on this wherever I can, but @Ford Motor Company really, really needs to fix this lousy charging curve. I honestly don't see why they're not maintaining at least 90+kW deeper into the pack. That, and yes - PLEASE add charging details when plugged in. We aren't afraid numbers, I promise you @Ford Motor Company.

This is my version of @Jimrpa's frunk release ? (whose pain I also feel because I'm also a Job 1 owner).

At least Ford did not go the Toyota bZ4X route.

azerik · Apr 19, 2023

Eric_C_Boston said:
At least Ford did not go the Toyota bZ4X route.

What. The wheels falling off?

Eric_C_Boston · Apr 19, 2023

azerik said:
What. The wheels falling off?

As https://driving.ca/reviews/comparison/2023-toyota-bz4x-vs-2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-ev-comparison says:
The bigger problem for Toyota is charging. Officially, it’s capable of 100-kilowatt charging, the lowest rating of any modern EV I’ve tested. Toyota’s official specs suggest it can recharge 80 per cent of its battery in an hour. In reality, it doesn’t even charge that fast. Do the numbers and that works out to an average charging speed of 58 kW. That’s not good. In other words, the Toyota is not a long-distance touring machine, its range too short and its recharging speed too slow for serious highway work.

The Electric Duo · Apr 19, 2023

Eric_C_Boston said:
I do not know why @Mach-E VLOG has not posted this, although they released a lot of videos recently about the 2023 California Route 1 they are reviewing. The video is great for showing atypical DCFC session with the Mach-E.

I usually recharge on road trips when I get down to 20%, so the sessions for my 2021 ER RWD Premium are shorter than shown (35 to 40 minutes).

Thanks. I meant to post it here plus get some feedback. How does everyone feel about the 10 to 80% vs 0 to 100% charging test? We also did an 80 to 10% range test. I know there is some value in testing the whole battery, but I think most people live in those areas of the battery for the most part.

SpaceEVDriver · Apr 19, 2023

Eric_C_Boston said:
As https://driving.ca/reviews/comparison/2023-toyota-bz4x-vs-2022-hyundai-ioniq-5-ev-comparison says:
The bigger problem for Toyota is charging. Officially, it’s capable of 100-kilowatt charging, the lowest rating of any modern EV I’ve tested. Toyota’s official specs suggest it can recharge 80 per cent of its battery in an hour. In reality, it doesn’t even charge that fast. Do the numbers and that works out to an average charging speed of 58 kW. That’s not good. In other words, the Toyota is not a long-distance touring machine, its range too short and its recharging speed too slow for serious highway work.

Toyota seems to be purposefully sandbagging EVs. I really don't understand their position.

SpaceEVDriver · Apr 19, 2023

Mach-E VLOG said:
Thanks. I meant to post it here plus get some feedback. How does everyone feel about the 10 to 80% vs 0 to 100% charging test? We also did an 80 to 10% range test. I know there is some value in testing the whole battery, but I think most people live in those areas of the battery for the most part.

I think 10-80 is much better than 0-100.

On my longer road trips, I typically charge above 80% because that's usually where it is when I'm done with my walk/bio-break/shopping/etc. I don't usually go into the 10% SOC space unless I'm headed home or there's a good reason to go lower.

Here's a table from a recent 2600 mile round trip. My average arrival SOC was 35%; average departure SOC was 82%.
{Edit}: Added some columns to the table.

Charger Arrival SOC %	Charger Leave SOC %	Energy delivered	Charge Duration	Charger Brand	Average charge rate
37	80	-	-
39	85	42 kWh	43 minutes	EA	59 kW
34	72	36 kWh	20 minutes	EA	108 kW
20	92*	L2 Charge	-
47	82	57 kWh	36 minutes	EA	95 kW
40	81	38 kWh	25 minutes	Francis Energy	91 kW
20	90	-	-
18	80	-	-
66	95*	L2 Charge	-
19	84	62 kWh	42 minutes	EA	89 kW
28	80	48 kWh	30 minutes	EA	96 kW
53	96*	L2 Charge	-
32	90	54 kWh	45 minutes	EA	72 kW
41	84	40 kWh	32 minutes	EA	75 kW
29	41	10 kWh	23 minutes	Charge Point	26 kW
21	84	59 kWh	41 minutes	EA	86 kW
22	92*	-	-
64	75	14 kWh	13 minutes	EA	65 kW

Shayne · Apr 20, 2023

kltye said:
This is my version of @Jimrpa's frunk release ? (whose pain I also feel because I'm also a Job 1 owner).

No remote start (departure scheduling) is mine. Lots done on subscription services last year but not much on what makes the car work. Hard to figure out their logic and what they are going for

Eric_C_Boston said:
At least Ford did not go the Toyota bZ4X route.

You to get 2 charges a day so bring a pup tent. There is always some one that has it worse. I guess we all feel better now.

Mach-E VLOG said:
Thanks. I meant to post it here plus get some feedback. How does everyone feel about the 10 to 80% vs 0 to 100% charging test? We also did an 80 to 10% range test. I know there is some value in testing the whole battery, but I think most people live in those areas of the battery for the most part.

Good to see you finally got to drive the fast color.

When you drive in -30C (-22F) above 80% charge matters. At 15C (58F) we are in shorts and the car has range. At 80% it use to drop to 14KW then 44KW then 33KW has it gone back to 44 KW again? 44 works for me as all I use is 50 KW chargers and need 90% in the winter due to distance between chargers up here. My vote charge up to 90% and show people how that works.

SWO · Apr 20, 2023

SpaceEVDriver said:
Toyota seems to be purposefully sandbagging EVs. I really don't understand their position.

I think Toyota has a history of being (overly) cautious from an engineering/technology perspective. They are always a generation behind. A perfect example is their trucks - they just did a refresh for 2022, but before that the Tundra had specs (horsepower, mileage, towing, 6-speed transmission, etc..) that other makes had 10 years ago. The current Tacoma is worse, basically early/mid 2000s tech.

HuntingPudel · Apr 20, 2023

SpaceEVDriver said:
Toyota seems to be purposefully sandbagging EVs. I really don't understand their position.

The previous Chairman, Akio Toyoda, was about as anti-EV as a leader in the auto industry can get. He retired at the end of last month. We shall see how former Lexus number 1 Tojo Sato does in this role. ?‍

?

Eric_C_Boston · Apr 20, 2023

Mach-E VLOG said:
Thanks. I meant to post it here plus get some feedback. How does everyone feel about the 10 to 80% vs 0 to 100% charging test? We also did an 80 to 10% range test. I know there is some value in testing the whole battery, but I think most people live in those areas of the battery for the most part.

When I get queried about the range, I do give the 100% to 0% number, but add that the car is not meant to be driven like that. Who drives an ICE to empty? It is really just a comparison number. Watching videos and other information before buying my MME informed me that 180 to 210 was the realistic range (10% or 20% to 80%) for road trips in an ER RWD. Even going for the maximum range, I am happy with the performance. It is not the fastest off the block, but still handy when I have to merge into traffic.

ADDZ71 · Apr 20, 2023

For range in my GT I usually tell people that during the winter months I feel comfortable driving 180 miles and during the summer probably 225. I don't get into if I were doing a long trip and how low I would take the battery or the stop and charge limit as those numbers would end up being lower.

mkhuffman · Apr 20, 2023

SWO said:
I think Toyota has a history of being (overly) cautious from an engineering/technology perspective. They are always a generation behind. A perfect example is their trucks - they just did a refresh for 2022, but before that the Tundra had specs (horsepower, mileage, towing, 6-speed transmission, etc..) that other makes had 10 years ago. The current Tacoma is worse, basically early/mid 2000s tech.

I think this is the reason. Quality and reliability is at the core of Toyota, and taking chances on unproven technology is very difficult for them to do culturally. I bet that is why the battery charge speed is so slow - they are more worried about battery damage than other manufacturers.

Wetsuitt · Apr 20, 2023

SpaceEVDriver said:
I think 10-80 is much better than 0-100.

On my longer road trips, I typically charge above 80% because that's usually where it is when I'm done with my walk/bio-break/shopping/etc. I don't usually go into the 10% SOC space unless I'm headed home or there's a good reason to go lower.

Here's a table from a recent 2600 mile round trip. My average arrival SOC was 35%; average departure SOC was 82%.

{EDIT}
Note that the charge sessions with an asterisk on the SOC numbers were on L2 chargers either overnight or while working or at dinner so my DCFC average is a bit lower than the number I gave above.

Charger Arrival SOC % Charger Leave SOC %
37 80
39 85
34 72
20 92*
47 82
40 81
20 90
18 80
66 95*
19 84
28 80
53 96*
32 90
41 84
29 41
21 84
22 92*
64 75

Charged T

Ordered	Order accepted	Order update (color)	Order Confirmed	Production scheduled	Production date	Built email	Shipped email	Palsapp update	Actual delivery
1 Oct '21	7 Oct '21	13 Oct '21	22 Oct '21	4 Nov '21	10 Jan '22	22 Jan '22	26 Jan '22	6 Feb '22	24 Feb '22

Ordered	Order accepted	Order update (color)	Order Confirmed	Production scheduled	Production date	Built email	Shipped email	Palsapp update	Actual delivery
1 Oct '21	7 Oct '21	13 Oct '21	22 Oct '21	4 Nov '21	10 Jan '22	22 Jan '22	26 Jan '22	6 Feb '22	24 Feb '22

Model	Ordered	Scheduled	Built	Shipped	Delivered

GT non-PE Star White	4/8/22	~~6/13/22~~ Week 6/20/22 Day 6/24/22	6/25/22	6/28/22	~~Est. 8/9-8/15/22~~ 7/19/22

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