My GT Performance Edition (GTPE) first track launch with videos, timeslip! 0-60 in 4.12s, 1/4 mile in 12.657 @ 100.02 mph

[sotek2345]

So what’s the issue with EVs? I don’t live in altitude.

they have higher HP and torque and 4wd… so is the issue the one gear approach? Or is it just sheer programming?
On paper the x3ms numbers don’t seem insane for a performance vehicle but 11.5 1/4 is very very nice… how much faster is an m3?

Altitude has no impact on EVs, other than reduced aero drag but it matters very very much for ICE vehicles as they lose power in the thinner air (less oxygen available for combustion).

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[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Super nice man, those seats look amazing. I think the problem for me is that the MME GT hits the top of my budget and checks most categories. It might not be as nice as some other cars, but those cars like your BMW would also cost over $80k with the same features that come on the MME.

Of course the EV part of it jacks up the price too, which is just something that was on my checklist for my next car. You could definitely trade the EV price for a super nice $65-70k ICE car or SUV.

Either way, I don't think you'd regret your BMW, that's for damn sure.

Let's be real, if I could afford an Audi RS6 Avant I think I'd go in that direction lol.

X3M has its advantages and its drawbacks, but it’ll run with some big dogs for sure. I think a significant % of GT/GTPE buyers are looking EV only so, yeah.

That ball glove color leather interior always looks good.

As for an RS6 Avant, make mine an AMG E63S Wagon, thank you very much.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Altitude has no impact on EVs, other than reduced aero drag but it matters very very much for ICE vehicles as they lose power in the thinner air (less oxygen available for combustion).

Well, yes, but, Turbocharged vehicles by their very nature are much less negatively affected by altitude than naturally aspirated ones.

 

[dkmatter]

Just go buy a Model S Plaid and be done with it.

 

[Mach1E]

X3M has its advantages and its drawbacks, but it’ll run with some big dogs for sure. I think a significant % of GT/GTPE buyers are looking EV only so, yeah.

That ball glove color leather interior always looks good.

As for an RS6 Avant, make mine an AMG E63S Wagon, thank you very much.

That’s probably more true for the “non-GT” buyers than the GT buyers.

I (and probably the others worried about the trap speed) am coming from an ICE and am interested in performance over other things. And this is the first affordable high performance EV that isn’t ugly.

 

[Mach1E]

Just go buy a Model S Plaid and be done with it.

Seems there’s a few groups of responses here:

1. The “who cares?” group.
2. The “I care” group.
3. The “Ford will fix it” group
4. The “Ford better fix it” group
5. The “let me grab my popcorn” group

The groups aren’t mutually exclusive either.

Honestly I did venture to the Tesla site and look at a model X plaid after these first 1/4 mile results. It’s just a lot more coin and does possibly answer the question of “is there such a thing as too fast?” The S plaid hits 120 in under 6 seconds for crying out loud.

 

[buzznwood]

So what’s the issue with EVs? I don’t live in altitude.

they have higher HP and torque and 4wd… so is the issue the one gear approach? Or is it just sheer programming?
On paper the x3ms numbers don’t seem insane for a performance vehicle but 11.5 1/4 is very very nice… how much faster is an m3?

The new m3 rwd competition has posted similar times of around 11.6 for the 1/4 but higher trap speeds of around 125mph+ of course this is RWD vs AWD X3M, I assume the M3 xdrive version will be a bit faster if I was to guess it will probably be around 11.2

EVs have the advantage that there is greater amount motor control that can be achieved enabling just the right amount of torque that is needed during a launch, something that is tricky in ICE especially with turbo motors, which makes the GTPE posted figures all the more perplexing in relation to not just other BEVS but with similar spec'd high performance ICE suvs.

I know BEV weight as much as small moon, but most ICE performance suvs are loaded with a lot of kit so are no feather weights either.

For me the choice of opting for a GTPE was down to the magnaride, so I will be basing my test drive on it being more of a GT 'comfort edition' however a lot potential GTPE orders will be from people rightly expecting the performance to live up to the name and the price tag and instead not feel like they have inadvertently purchased one of those Chinese mach-e that just have the cosmetic looks of the GTPE by mistake.

 

[dkmatter]

Seems there’s a few groups of responses here:

1. The “who cares?” group.
2. The “I care” group.
3. The “Ford will fix it” group
4. The “Ford better fix it” group
5. The “let me grab my popcorn” group

The groups aren’t mutually exclusive either.

Honestly I did venture to the Tesla site and look at a model X plaid after these first 1/4 mile results. It’s just a lot more coin and does possibly answer the question of “is there such a thing as too fast?” The S plaid hits 120 in under 6 seconds for crying out loud.

Don't forget about the "I know everything group" ?

 

[sotek2345]

The new m3 rwd competition has posted similar times of around 11.6 for the 1/4 but higher trap speeds of around 125mph+ of course this is RWD vs AWD X3M, I assume the M3 xdrive version will be a bit faster if I was to guess it will probably be around 11.2

EVs have the advantage that there is greater amount motor control that can be achieved enabling just the right amount of torque that is needed during a launch, something that is tricky in ICE especially with turbo motors, which makes the GTPE posted figures all the more perplexing in relation to not just other BEVS but with similar spec'd high performance ICE suvs.

I know BEV weight as much as small moon, but most ICE performance suvs are loaded with a lot of kit so are no feather weights either.

For me the choice of opting for a GTPE was down to the magnaride, so I will be basing my test drive on it being more of a GT 'comfort edition' however a lot potential GTPE orders will be from people rightly expecting the performance to live up to the name and the price tag and instead not feel like they have inadvertently purchased one of those Chinese mach-e that just have the cosmetic looks of the GTPE by mistake.

Just a heads up, I would expect the magnaride is less about comfort and more about increased vehicle control. On my GT350 the magnaride settings go from tight and sporty (normal mode)to feel every grain of sand on the road (track mode).

 

[Mach1E]

Just a heads up, I would expect the magnaride is less about comfort and more about increased vehicle control. On my GT350 the magnaride settings go from tight and sporty (normal mode)to feel every grain of sand on the road (track mode).

If it’s anything like my SS mag ride, it does both. (Comfort, track and everything in between).

I keep it in the softest setting 99% of the time unless I’m showing someone how it works. Will rattle fillings out on track setting on a rough road.

I hope the softest setting for the GTPE is softer than the GT350 as it’s not as much of a track car.

 

[cloud9]

Just a heads up, I would expect the magnaride is less about comfort and more about increased vehicle control. On my GT350 the magnaride settings go from tight and sporty (normal mode)to feel every grain of sand on the road (track mode).

This is true and I would agree on my GT350 and Bullitt. If you put the MME on Whisper Mode, it feels dialed back from normal mode in the GT350. Unbridled feels like it's between sport mode and track mode on the coupes.

 

[blue92lx]

X3M has its advantages and its drawbacks, but it’ll run with some big dogs for sure. I think a significant % of GT/GTPE buyers are looking EV only so, yeah.

That ball glove color leather interior always looks good.

As for an RS6 Avant, make mine an AMG E63S Wagon, thank you very much.

That AMG I'd badass. I just love how the Audi looks though, and I'm not a huge fan of Mercedes interiors as far as how they look.

 

[buzznwood]

Just a heads up, I would expect the magnaride is less about comfort and more about increased vehicle control. On my GT350 the magnaride settings go from tight and sporty (normal mode)to feel every grain of sand on the road (track mode).

I would hope it is set up for both, the bloated weight of BEVs mean that the additional firmness required for good body control is not going to do that well on the bumpy potholed concrete crap that passes for socal freeways on my commute, so a softer ride there would be fine as body control is not really an issue on a straight bit of road.

Of course I won't know till it turns up at the dealers and get to do my test drive in it, my focus RS had two damper setting that should have been labeled Uncomfortable and Unacceptable the absolute worst suspension tuning of any performance ford I have ever owned in 30 odd years of owning them , so I am hoping that they haven't made a similar mistake with the GTPE.

Still at this point I don't know what to expect seeing as they appear to have not even dialed in the performance figures right at this point

 

[CharleyCarlos]

Welp, in the end I am canceling my order and I picked up an x3 M yesterday. No, I don't need an SUV that tops out at 174mph like this, but it pulls HARD from 75-110 and I do appreciate that.

Oh and sorry gtpe, you can't touch these seats.

Not a troll post btw, I do hope ford sorts this out. Guess I'm not quite ready for the "electric revolution"

I generally don’t go for the big three European brands, but the X3M and X4M, especially competition trims, are very tempting. Also starting to eye the Cadillac blackwing sedans.

keeping faith in GTPE for a little longer

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Well, yes, but, Turbocharged vehicles by their very nature are much less negatively affected by altitude than naturally aspirated ones. NA engines lose approx. 3% power/1000Ft whereas turbocharged ones just make up for the lower atmospheric pressure with increased boost.

That’s probably more true for the “non-GT” buyers than the GT buyers.

I (and probably the others worried about the trap speed) am coming from an ICE and am interested in performance over other things. And this is the first affordable high performance EV that isn’t ugly.

The problem with that is, there are a lot of ICE performance SUVs in the $60-80K sandbox that’ll trash a GT/PE if you look past 0-60 numbers, and some will match it there as well. Not saying you’re wrong at all, just, if EV factor isn’t really important, all kinds of options exist.

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