My GT Performance Edition (GTPE) first track launch with videos, timeslip! 0-60 in 4.12s, 1/4 mile in 12.657 @ 100.02 mph

[guyofthesky]

Here’s my take on the Plaid.

Elon introduced it shortly after the Taycan Turbo S burst on the scene offering repeated 10 sec 1/4 miles and 2.5 sec 0-60s all with the instant track cred and handling traits of a Porsche, because “there is no substitute”. Elon knew he had to make loud noises.

So, being that Tesla doesn’t market or advertise, what does Elon do? Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to Twitter I go, hi ho hi ho. There he tweets to all of his Elon’s angels that Model S Plaid will go to Nurburgring and defeat the Taycan. Shittons of publicity in the autoworld ensues. And then the Plaid proto ends up on a flatbed trailer at the ‘Ring because it’s a Tesla. It ran like a mofo at Laguna Seca but that’s like 1:30 laps, not big boy 7 minute laps like the ‘Ring. But, mission accomplished, no advert dollars spent but all kinds of fookers throwing down deposits as always. Genius.

Fast forward 2 years and the Plaid is 1/4 mile king but it’ll never drive/handle like a Porsche. Or take repeated track laps like one. Cybertruck late AF per usual, MY, M3 getting decontented, Model S has a Knight Industries 3000 steering yoke. And still no GD FSD for any of them to show for the thousands and thousands of orders where they charged $3K, then $5K, then $7K, $8K and now $10K for it.

Oh, almost forgot. Before the Tesla trolls see this and lose their minds, I own T$LA shares and want it to succeed. But because I can see reality through a lens of logic and critical thinking I can say these things.

I don't believe that level 5 is possible without lidar and radar. I don't think that it can be done with only cameras.

Musk is a smart guy, but a whole lot of other smart guys and gals disagree with him on this.

It is gonna be interesting...

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[guyofthesky]

I feel like I travelled in time.
Bench racing.. cyber call outs…

what’s next? Zoom arm wrestling?

Maybe chugging pitchers of beer?

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I don't believe that level 5 is possible without lidar and radar. I don't think that it can be done with only cameras.

Musk is a smart guy, but a whole lot of other smart guys and gals disagree with him on this.

It is gonna be interesting...

You’re damn right level 5 ain’t happening with just cameras. It’s prob not even happening at all for a while because There. Will. Be. Blood. Lots of smart people have changed their tunes on level 5 timelines. And Tesla even admits FSD isn’t really FSD, it’s all such a shitshow right now.

 

[buzznwood]

I disagree a little.

I want social pressure because I believe that the environmental issues are very important. I don't desire division.

Also, I see very little compromise in driving EVs. I now have 39,000 miles driving them.

The key take away is that EV's work for your driving routine and that is great .

An EV works for me pottering back n forth to the shops and my daily commute hence my interest in the mach-e, however while the EV is fine for those tasks I also do a lot of long road trips out into the national parks and wasting time hanging around charging just doesn't cut it for me, so I need to keep an ICE for that.

For people that don't have the luxury of owning multiple cars the purchasing decision for a lot of people will not be based on the 90% use case but the 10% so until an EV covers both of those cases without needing to make compromises people are not going to switch.

In time things will of course improve, but for anything new to get beyond just early adopters it needs to be better than what they currently have in all aspects not just a few and applying social pressure will do little to increase uptake.

In 2035 CA will ban all new ICE sales and are pushing to make that 2030, if EV tech has reach that 100% no compromises point then great if not then I suspect that I will be seeing a lot of 2029 ICE vehicles on the road for years to come and lots of shinny new 2030+ ICE vehicles on out of state plates.

 

[blue92lx]

I don't believe that level 5 is possible without lidar and radar. I don't think that it can be done with only cameras.

Musk is a smart guy, but a whole lot of other smart guys and gals disagree with him on this.

It is gonna be interesting...

I personally don't understand how a visual camera is supposed to see through heavy rain, fog, snow, etc. to detect a car in front. That's exactly what the radar is for that was removed.

 

[guyofthesky]

The key take away is that EV's work for your driving routine and that is great .

An EV works for me pottering back n forth to the shops and my daily commute hence my interest in the mach-e, however while the EV is fine for those tasks I also do a lot of long road trips out into the national parks and wasting time hanging around charging just doesn't cut it for me, so I need to keep an ICE for that.

For people that don't have the luxury of owning multiple cars the purchasing decision for a lot of people will not be based on the 90% use case but the 10% so until an EV covers both of those cases without needing to make compromises people are not going to switch.

In time things will of course improve, but for anything new to get beyond just early adopters it needs to be better than what they currently have in all aspects not just a few and applying social pressure will do little to increase uptake.

In 2035 CA will ban all new ICE sales and are pushing to make that 2030, if EV tech has reach that 100% no compromises point then great if not then I suspect that I will be seeing a lot of 2029 ICE vehicles on the road for years to come and lots of shinny new 2030+ ICE vehicles on out of state plates.

Good points. But I think the cars are mostly fine. We just need a much better charging network.

I do agree that there are some cases where EVs aren't optimal. Towing heavy trailers long distances is one...

And, again, I am not endorsing governmental mandates.

 

[guyofthesky]

I personally don't understand how a visual camera is supposed to see through heavy rain, fog, snow, etc. to detect a car in front. That's exactly what the radar is for that was removed.

Also, unlit obstacles in the dark. Rapid lighting changes such as tunnels. Very dark objects with low reflectivity. Etc.

 

[CharleyCarlos]

Going to miss all this rabid car talk in a few years, when all cars are just lightning-fast electric chip-driven spheres with identical performance, and only the old folks know how to use a clutch pedal.

 

[pt19713]

I guess I'm just making fun of the whole thing. You have a car that can go 0-60, given that you have an open road that you can sit on for 10 minutes while it 'gets ready'. Like that's not a real world 2 second car (it wasn't even 2 seconds in the video either), that's a car you have to essentially go to some dead back road at 2am or to the drag strip to really get the full speed.

I get it, it's fast, but it's a party trick. Like you said, it's a car you rent for a weekend, feel what a 2 second run feels like, give the car back, and drive away in your more realistic, more comfortable, nicer interior, MME GT, Taycan, Audi RS GT, or whatever else.

The warmup doesn't necessarily take 10 minutes. It all depends on what temperature the battery is at prior to do the launch. If you just finished doing an L3 charge session, the battery will be warm enough and there's no wait, just a matter of the suspension squatting preparing for launch. If it's in the middle of winter, yeah, it'll take 10+ minutes. That being said, the car is still ridiculously quick without waiting on the battery (2.1s 0-60 w/o warming the battery, I believe).

 

[pt19713]

Biggest takeaway: there are a lot of Tesla haters out there. It's a bit comical.

Welcome to the forum. You can't mention the "T" word or the guy that begins with "E" and ends with "n" around here.

 

[blue92lx]

The warmup doesn't necessarily take 10 minutes. It all depends on what temperature the battery is at prior to do the launch. If you just finished doing an L3 charge session, the battery will be warm enough and there's no wait, just a matter of the suspension squatting preparing for launch. If it's in the middle of winter, yeah, it'll take 10+ minutes. That being said, the car is still ridiculously quick without waiting on the battery (2.1s 0-60 w/o warming the battery, I believe).

They got 2.3 seconds in the video after a 7 minute battery conditioning and however much more time prepping for launch.

Like I said it's fast AF.... and then what? Otherwise it's the same as every other Tesla on the road for something like $140k? F that. I haven't seen any official numbers on 0-60 without prep but it's definitely not 2.1 seconds and it's definitely not 2.1 seconds on a regular use road.

Anyway, we all know who's a Tesla person here and who's not. It's not for me just on a subjective level with styling, quality, etc. I personally think anyone that buys this car is insane, stupid, or both. Go rent one somewher for a weekend and be done with it.

 

[vakane]

Welcome to the forum. You can't mention the "T" word or the guy that begins with "E" and ends with "n" around here.

Someone said chugging

Maybe chugging pitchers of beer?

ok not sure what’s wrong with Thomas Edison

but I’m all down for chugging beers no matter what the argument.

I’ll say it again that plaid thing was fast…

looked ok inside. If the x plaid was 100k I’d buy it even though I hate it’s looks. I’m a performance oriented guy that needs a tad more room… that’s why the mache with its 4 doors reeled me in.
Now I’m wishing Ford had that power boost option in an explorer and I’d switch in a heartbeat. TT V6 with an E-aid making 500 hp that can make 600 easily….

 

[jasaero]

Good points. But I think the cars are mostly fine. We just need a much better charging network.

I do agree that there are some cases where EVs aren't optimal. Towing heavy trailers long distances is one...

And, again, I am not endorsing governmental mandates.

I tend to figure the uptake on EV will be a bit under a lot of the EV fanatic prognostications until a lot of the offerings offer what is an all day range for many and less "fast" charging is necessary other than maybe for towing and more of the charge network just needs to be at hotels and the like. Once the only time anyone ever needs to charge tends to be as a they sleep it all the sudden becomes a vastly more convenient product than a gas one where we have never bothered to design them for all day range and only stopping when and where you want.

Not only that, I think the grid can deal with and be adapted more cost efficiently to slower overnight charging at a hotel easier than some 5 aluminum smelters at the truck stop for all the EVs expecting to top up in 10-30 minutes with 200kW-2mW per vehicle once trucks and all are doing the EV thing.

 

[pt19713]

They got 2.3 seconds in the video after a 7 minute battery conditioning and however much more time prepping for launch.

Like I said it's fast AF.... and then what? Otherwise it's the same as every other Tesla on the road for something like $140k? F that. I haven't seen any official numbers on 0-60 without prep but it's definitely not 2.1 seconds and it's definitely not 2.1 seconds on a regular use road.

With rollout? Here's one on the street, 2.05s.

 

[blue92lx]

With rollout? Here's one on the street, 2.05s.

lol, just like the guy in the video said, no one on the street is measuring 0-60 with rollout. It's just 0-60.

I really wish manufacturers would stop this 1ft rollout marketing gimmick . The GTPE is a 3.7 second car, the GT is a 4.0 second car. Just be real about it.

So anyway, this doesn't change the fact that you have a one trick pony that costs way too much money for what it really is. It's essentially a 'see this is what we can do with our batteries and motors' showcase, with little else to show for the amount you paid.

Just be real about it, as a Tesla person just be real for like 2 seconds and be like yeah it's fast as F but everything else in this price range is light years ahead with quality, comfort, etc. etc. etc.

I'm a Ford person through and through, and I can come here and honestly say that the Volvo my wife has, that's cheaper than the MME GT I ordered, has nicer interior. That's because I'm honest with myself and I'm not trying to fool my own eyes.

We all know the Model S Plaid is fast AF..... and?

Paying that much for a Model S Plaid is the same as paying $10k for FSD beta testing. You're paying them an insane amount of money to be their test bed for how fast they can make their cars, because you're literally getting nothing else for your money.

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