My GT Performance Edition (GTPE) first track launch with videos, timeslip! 0-60 in 4.12s, 1/4 mile in 12.657 @ 100.02 mph

[buzznwood]

That's back when every incremental increase in acceleration made a car more fun to drive. We've jumped the shark. 0-60 in 2 seconds at some point ceases to be fun outside of a drag strip, and in the hands of most drivers is unsafe.

I don't know what the magic number is for a street driven car, but my own opinion based on what I've been in thus far, sub 3 seconds (in a GT3 RS) seemed to be the other side of it. I think low 3's is probably where I'd want to settle in. Forcing yourself to live with a plaid and its yoke for what amounts to an amusement ride thrill that you'll eventually stop using (partly because of the nausea) seems crazy to me. Of course crazy seems to be a very relative term these days when peeps are poisoning themselves with sheep meds.

Most of the fast sub 3 second ICE cars require you putting it into launch mode so as fun as the ones I have driven are most people are not really going to be sitting a traffic lights and stop signs with the engine reviewing away ready to launch, you do it a few times for fun.

With a BEV you just mash the pedal and of you go, so I can see the dangers for people not used to fast accelerating cars having 0-60 of under 3 seconds however as long as the BEV has good throttle control it is fine as just like an ICE with launch control people will do a it few times for fun before just pulling away at sensible speeds.

What is a lot more useful in daily driving is 50-70 and the 50-90 times as these are used way more and the faster these happen the better IMO and lets be honest this is really where the GTPE is falling flat on its face and has piss poor numbers for the supposed power.

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[cloud9]

That's back when every incremental increase in acceleration made a car more fun to drive. We've jumped the shark. 0-60 in 2 seconds at some point ceases to be fun outside of a drag strip, and in the hands of most drivers is unsafe.

I don't know what the magic number is for a street driven car, but my own opinion based on what I've been in thus far, sub 3 seconds (in a GT3 RS) seemed to be the other side of it. I think low 3's is probably where I'd want to settle in. Forcing yourself to live with a plaid and its yoke for what amounts to an amusement ride thrill that you'll eventually stop using (partly because of the nausea) seems crazy to me. Of course crazy seems to be a very relative term these days when peeps are poisoning themselves with sheep meds.

Watching that video, I'm seeing the guy in a 3-point with no helmet, HANS, cage or even a roll-bar thinking you better hope you don't have a mechanical or track surface anomaly because those concrete barriers will be completely unforgiving at 155+.

 

[MrClean]

As much stink as I’ve made over that 3.5 claim, I actually don’t care. Something that reliably gets to 60 in 4” would be amazing, as long as it doesn’t require cutting the nuts off the car once it hits 60. That’s too big a trade-off for a car that would otherwise be a *very* attractive combination of performance, comfort and practicality. I don’t live my life from stoplight to stoplight, but I do use the freeway every day.

Don’t be like Elon, Ford. Instead, under-promise and over-deliver. People like that. Jesus, if you’re going to take on Tesla on their home turf (0-60), you’d better be able to deliver. That was poor strategy. Even a tie is not a win. Perhaps it would have been better to talk about what the Mach-e is better at. Compete on those terms. Much nicer interior, better looking, QC (though I don’t necessarily think of that when I hear “Ford”), comfort, handling(?). Ford put too much emphasis on a stupid metric , the one that *Tesla* prioritizes and is actually good at, and came up short. It loses to 60, the 1/4, charge time and charger availability, self-driving capability (I’m not talking fully-automated), user interface, etc., etc. And, it’s more expensive. Who the ^%*# is running the store over there?

 

[vakane]

Man anything under fine to 60 is fine as long as I don’t have to go into 2nd gear…. (Think lancer evos and STIs) launching a car with 3 pedals under 3 requires a lot of nannies outside a track… but I rather do it in 4 myself and learn to drive

 

[blue92lx]

Most of the fast sub 3 second ICE cars require you putting it into launch mode so as fun as the ones I have driven are most people are not really going to be sitting a traffic lights and stop signs with the engine reviewing away ready to launch, you do it a few times for fun.

With a BEV you just mash the pedal and of you go, so I can see the dangers for people not used to fast accelerating cars having 0-60 of under 3 seconds however as long as the BEV has good throttle control it is fine as just like an ICE with launch control people will do a it few times for fun before just pulling away at sensible speeds.

What is a lot more useful in daily driving is 50-70 and the 50-90 times as these are used way more and the faster these happen the better IMO and lets be honest this is really where the GTPE is falling flat on its face and has piss poor numbers for the supposed power.

lol I've always imagined someone sitting at a red light with the launch control on building boost during traffic hour.

 

[Up and Over]

I can’t remember where I read this but I think it is entirely true, “Christian von Koenigsegg is the visionary that Elon thinks he is…”

Here’s my take on the Plaid.

Elon introduced it shortly after the Taycan Turbo S burst on the scene offering repeated 10 sec 1/4 miles and 2.5 sec 0-60s all with the instant track cred and handling traits of a Porsche, because “there is no substitute”. Elon knew he had to make loud noises.

So, being that Tesla doesn’t market or advertise, what does Elon do? Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to Twitter I go, hi ho hi ho. There he tweets to all of his Elon’s angels that Model S Plaid will go to Nurburgring and defeat the Taycan. Shittons of publicity in the autoworld ensues. And then the Plaid proto ends up on a flatbed trailer at the ‘Ring because it’s a Tesla. It ran like a mofo at Laguna Seca but that’s like 1:30 laps, not big boy 7 minute laps like the ‘Ring. But, mission accomplished, no advert dollars spent but all kinds of fookers throwing down deposits as always. Genius.

Fast forward 2 years and the Plaid is 1/4 mile king but it’ll never drive/handle like a Porsche. Or take repeated track laps like one. Cybertruck late AF per usual, MY, M3 getting decontented, Model S has a Knight Industries 3000 steering yoke. And still no GD FSD for any of them to show for the thousands and thousands of orders where they charged $3K, then $5K, then $7K, $8K and now $10K for it.

Oh, almost forgot. Before the Tesla trolls see this and lose their minds, I own T$LA shares and want it to succeed. But because I can see reality through a lens of logic and critical thinking I can say these things.

 

[SD_Solar]

It has to be a software programing limitation in the GTPE with the 2 big motors not accelerating properly in the 50 to 90 mph range.

I have a First Edition AWD Ext. and with the propulsion sound turned off, I have been stunned how easy it is to over shoot a sane passing speed when peddle to the floor to pass a slow moving 55 mph vehicle and by the time I glance down it’s well over 90mph --- a guaranteed stop and ticket in a Grabber Blue color and no front license plate in this area.

With the propulsion sound on in Unbridled mode, the audio feedback does really help to give you some warning indication that the Pony is starting to run fast.

 

[Frankie]

lol, just like the guy in the video said, no one on the street is measuring 0-60 with rollout. It's just 0-60.

I really wish manufacturers would stop this 1ft rollout marketing gimmick . The GTPE is a 3.7 second car, the GT is a 4.0 second car. Just be real about it.

So anyway, this doesn't change the fact that you have a one trick pony that costs way too much money for what it really is. It's essentially a 'see this is what we can do with our batteries and motors' showcase, with little else to show for the amount you paid.

Just be real about it, as a Tesla person just be real for like 2 seconds and be like yeah it's fast as F but everything else in this price range is light years ahead with quality, comfort, etc. etc. etc.

I'm a Ford person through and through, and I can come here and honestly say that the Volvo my wife has, that's cheaper than the MME GT I ordered, has nicer interior. That's because I'm honest with myself and I'm not trying to fool my own eyes.

We all know the Model S Plaid is fast AF..... and?

Paying that much for a Model S Plaid is the same as paying $10k for FSD beta testing. You're paying them an insane amount of money to be their test bed for how fast they can make their cars, because you're literally getting nothing else for your money.

1 foot rollout isn't something that was invented by the manufacturers its because of how timing lights work at the drag strip. Personally I think it makes more sense to always use 1' rollout because then the times are consistent with how timing is done at the drag strip plus how the big auto mags do it.

As far as street racing, races are time to distance not time to speed so it makes more sense to look at 60', 1/8th, etc, not 0-60 anyway.

 

[buzznwood]

It has to be a software programing limitation in the GTPE with the 2 big motors not accelerating properly in the 50 to 90 mph range.

If you look at the various competing dual motor motor vehicles in this class that use two of the same motor they just let both motors run to full power, so for the GTPE this would be an impressive 562hp / 624lbs yet the GTPE only gets the 624 lbs so yes a lot of speculation is what ever strategy ford is using to limit the power for whatever reason is not doing a very good job.

Now be the reason for lower power limit, be it down to battery limitations, politics of not allowing the mach-e to have more power than the mach-1 480hp, or just holding back for an even more expensive Shelby version, or even just a way to give ford performance the option to sell owners a power upgrade under the mind set of 'mustang owners like to mod' at s later date. Well your guess is as good as mine and everyone else.

What we do know is that if the press reviews vehicles magically get better performance figures that there was probably a software fix that needs to be applied to some shipped vehicles or if they get the same lackluster results it may finally force ford to come out from hiding and finally comment on the issue.

 

[Frankie]

It has to be a software programing limitation in the GTPE with the 2 big motors not accelerating properly in the 50 to 90 mph range.

I have a First Edition AWD Ext. and with the propulsion sound turned off, I have been stunned how easy it is to over shoot a sane passing speed when peddle to the floor to pass a slow moving 55 mph vehicle and by the time I glance down it’s well over 90mph --- a guaranteed stop and ticket in a Grabber Blue color and no front license plate in this area.

I don't think your experience is actually because your car is faster it's because your expectations are lower. Car and Driver testing the AWD 346 horse Mach-e got 50-70 of 2.8 which is 0.3 behind what I got.

From my experience the car gives an initial burst (like half a second) of torque when you punch it doing 50-60ish but the sustained acceleration past 60ish just isn't really that fast, which is born out by the lackluster 50-70 and 70-90 times plus the low trap speeds.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I can’t remember where I read this but I think it is entirely true, “Christian von Koenigsegg is the visionary that Elon thinks he is…”

You know, come to think of it, that’s exactly right. Now there is a guy that has a clue.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

lol I've always imagined someone sitting at a red light with the launch control on building boost during traffic hour.

It building juice, building juice. Come on…?

 

[buzznwood]

1 foot rollout isn't something that was invented by the manufacturers its because of how timing lights work at the drag strip. Personally I think it makes more sense to always use 1' rollout because then the times are consistent with how timing is done at the drag strip plus how the big auto mags do it.

As far as street racing, races are time to distance not time to speed so it makes more sense to look at 60', 1/8th, etc, not 0-60 anyway.

I would say this is more a USA thing due to visits to the drag strip being far more common and certain magazines like car and driver, it serves no purpose in todays world with accurate gps timing gear. I can see the sense of the 1ft time still being used in a publication for a consistent comparison when looking back over the years but is must be made very clear it includes 1ft which at least car and driver do.

From a manufactures perspective there really should be no option to mix and match to make things look better. At least I give ford props ford for adding a * and some small print but most people don't read small print and instead just see the headline figure it is today equivalent of using gross vs net horsepower of yesteryear and no better than manufactures messing around quoting dry vs wet weights.

 

[Scooby24]

@cloud9 or others with their GT with pano roof, what's your GVWR? Trying to see if we can use that comparison between pano roof and no pano roof to estimate weight difference.

 

[cloud9]

@cloud9 or others with their GT with pano roof, what's your GVWR? Trying to see if we can use that comparison between pano roof and no pano roof to estimate weight difference.

I ordered a black painted roof to minimize the weight. I can't find the definitive curb weight online anywhere, but the GVWR is 5980 and max weight for occupants and payload is 939 implying a curb weigh over 5k (porky). The Drive reported an estimated curb weight of 4394 - 4890 lbs in February 2020.

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