November 3rd 2021 Revised Tax incentives for EVs from House of Reps.

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Well the infrastructure bill passed.

All I can find about electric vehicles is 7.5 billion for electric buses and another 7.5 billion for car chargers.

Anyone see if the tax credit or rebate passed?

I’m also curious what the 7.5 billion for car chargers means. Will there be “government chargers” that are free or cheaper than and competing with the network of chargers we pay for?
 

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Well the infrastructure bill passed.

All I can find about electric vehicles is 7.5 billion for electric buses and another 7.5 billion for car chargers.

Anyone see if the tax credit or rebate passed?

I’m also curious what the 7.5 billion for car chargers means. Will there be “government chargers” that are free or cheaper than and competing with the network of chargers we pay for?
Build back better bill has not passed yet
 

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Well the infrastructure bill passed.

All I can find about electric vehicles is 7.5 billion for electric buses and another 7.5 billion for car chargers.

Anyone see if the tax credit or rebate passed?

I’m also curious what the 7.5 billion for car chargers means. Will there be “government chargers” that are free or cheaper than and competing with the network of chargers we pay for?
EV Tax credit is in the Build Back Better Bill which they are saying will pass later supposedly by Nov 15 in house and then go to Senate then who knows what will happen??‍♂
 

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Better to invest in or subsidize kWh in a charging infrastructure. Some people delay EV purchases for lack of charging, I did. BTW, after tax conversions will some day be closed as it is a legal loophole..
Indeed, as currently written, after tax conversions would be eliminated. It is pre-tax conversions that are still in the bill.
 


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What ever happened to the Foxconn factory that was supposed to be built in USA?
Wisconsin got snookered on the deal. Big promises by both Foxconn and the leaders of the state (at the time). As has previously been the case, Foxconn did not stick to the deal. They downsized and downsized, failed to make many of the research focused investments and contributions they had promised, and now have a much smaller venture in Wisconsin than promised. At least, after Foxconn failed to fully deliver, the state was able to rescind some of the huge incentives that were promised saving the taxpayers of the state some of the money that would have been thrown away. https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2021/10/27/murphys-law-why-foxconn-jilted-wisconsin/
 

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I always love when people say they want everything made in the U.S. Then, when faced with a buying decision, choosing between near identical products, one made in the U.S. (and significantly more expensive), one made outside the U.S., they pick the non-U.S.-made product overwhelmingly.

Decades ago my father in-law gave me crap for having a Japanese-made vehicle. He had nice big Toshiba TV in his house, among other things.

I worked for a company many years ago, and we produced products in China. In a focus group, when asked the direct question, people complained about this and said the particular product, which also embodied a US symbol on it (think U.S. Flag), should be made in the U.S. They were told the product, if made in the U.S., would cost 3.5 times as much. Every single one of them backed down and said they would still buy the non-U.S. made product.

Products are sourced out of the country for many reasons, cost being a big one. Even if production moves to the U.S., many raw materials are produced outside the U.S.

If you want all U.S. made products, practice what you preach and tell every company you buy from, or don't buy from, of your decision with your wallet.

Oh, by the way, no more smartphones.
There's an important point that you're missing here: what does "made" mean. While it's absolutely true that manufacturing jobs here in the US are far more expensive, that focuses too much on one aspect. We need engineering, design, management, and support jobs as well. Keeping the profits in the US economy is also a huge benefit. So while products are assembled overseas from parts stamped overseas because they are cheaper is a reality, at least having all of those other benefits here is far better than all of it being sent offshore. So my Android Pixel 5 cellphone is actually not fully Chinese - although if we aren't careful that will change very soon too. For that reason I buy products with at least some of the chain here in the US, because as a society if we don't support each other as much as possible our progeny will not be as fortunate.
 

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Just posted a few minutes ago on CNBC.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/03/dem...tax-breaks-for-evs-that-cost-up-to-80000.html
The newly revised plan from the House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee RULES COMMITTEE PRINT 117–18 TEXT OF H.R. 5376, BUILD BACK BETTER ACT

$4000 base amount
$3500 amount for vehicles with greater than 40kwh battery capacity and less than 2.5 gallons gas tank
$4500 for final domestic assembly (vehicle made in US by Union representative workers)
$500 for domestic content assembly (battery produced in US)

Vehicle cost not to exceed $80,000 for Van's, SUVs, Pickup trucks. $55,000 for other vehicles.

Income thresholds of $500k married filing joint, $375k head of household, or $250k filing single.

Not more than 1 credit allowed per tax year.

Credit can be automatically assigned to the seller (must be registered) towards purchase of vehicle.

Date of effect: December 31, 2021 or when the Bill takes effect. (Whichever happens last)

Verbiage of credits for Used Evs also included in bill, 2 & 3 wheeled vehicles, charging station credits, commercial usage, etc.

The Proposed bill extends the EV credit system for another 10 years and eliminates the 200,000 vehicle restriction.

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The full bill is available here. Pg 1480-1540

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-117HR5376RH-RCP117-18.pdf
Don't get too excited. The Bill has to pass in the House, pass in the Senate then back to the House.
 

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I feel the same way. And to rub salt in my wound, my car is pretty much built but is sitting there waiting on chips. I need this thing to ship ASAP and get to me before end of year.
We have ordered the same car. Our build date is 1/10/22. We may miss the 7,500K credit all together.
 

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Wisconsin got snookered on the deal. Big promises by both Foxconn and the leaders of the state (at the time). As has previously been the case, Foxconn did not stick to the deal. They downsized and downsized, failed to make many of the research focused investments and contributions they had promised, and now have a much smaller venture in Wisconsin than promised. At least, after Foxconn failed to fully deliver, the state was able to rescind some of the huge incentives that were promised saving the taxpayers of the state some of the money that would have been thrown away. https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2021/10/27/murphys-law-why-foxconn-jilted-wisconsin/
Sad but there are dozen smaller failures like this across the country that don’t get wide press. Florida and Port St. Lucie were hoodwinked by biotech and Digital Domain for upwards of $220 million as they tried to build a new economy.

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/l...ic-port-st-lucie-ex-vgti-property/1269369001/

I worked for one of the companies and it was very obvious it wasn’t going to viable long term. It’s no different than China building cities in the middle of nowhere that are basically still empty.
 

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We have ordered the same car. Our build date is 1/10/22. We may miss the 7,500K credit all together.
Why? If the bill doesn’t pass the current law still stands which mean you still get a $7500 tax credit.

If… the new law passes and the old law gets repealed (it’s in the bill) when the new one comes into effect, there should be provision to handle purchases from Jan 1st to new date or make credits retroactive to Jan 1st.
 

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Indeed, as currently written, after tax conversions would be eliminated. It is pre-tax conversions that are still in the bill.
By after tax conversions do you refer to the back-door conversions of non-deductible IRA's that only the rich use?
 

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Why? If the bill doesn’t pass the current law still stands which mean you still get a $7500 tax credit.

If… the new law passes and the old law gets repealed (it’s in the bill) when the new one comes into effect, there should be provision to handle purchases from Jan 1st to new date or make credits retroactive to Jan 1st.

I don't think the existing EV rules have the income limits nor the $55k limit for sedans.

For just the MME, the BBB plan does nothing so it's actually better if that part didn't pass. I don't think they should have changed the law honestly where it's a negative for some folks with the law actually passing. I hear the Rav4 Prime loses the 3.5k or something.
 

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Lots of "I hear" and speculation. When Biden signs the bill, there were be in-depth analysis done by the experts, and we'll all know whether we have a potential issue in 2022 or not. Same goes for the Lightning. Till then, it's a waste of brain cells (or not, depending) to think about it.
 

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The 2022 Mach-e Premium Extended RWD comes in at $54,200. So no issue in receiving the tax credit under the proposed law. Repeat, proposed law where the chances of it ever becoming law is shrinking by the day. Any trim levels above that won't qualify. So what, that shouldn't be a deal breaker. The Mach-e is an amazing vehicle and your purchase of one should be based on it's looks and performance. Consumers buying a Mach 1 or Shelby don't give a you know what about a tax credit. Buying a Mach-e should be the same way.
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