Fed up, scheduled test drive of Ionic 5

[generaltso]

But it's a Hyundai

I don’t think that means what you think it means.

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[oadesign]

Thank you for all this information....appreciated greatly....Bill

You’re welcome Bill…I hope it’s quick! If you remind me in a couple of days, I can check to see if the status changes. That would indicate it’s on a truck

 

[skiingj]

I just purchased a Kona in NorCal for my mom. Local dealers wanted ~$2k ADM. It was easy to find two dealers 90 minutes away for MSRP. It was driven to our house. I won't even negotiate with a dealer that asks for ADM. Pre-covid I'll only buy if 5-20% below MSRP.

 

[Socalsp3]

People who reserved an ioniq 5 are still getting 5k+ ADMs on Reddit. Glad Ford is tougher on their dealers

 

[Starrtech2000]

We drove an Ioniq 5 and it was a very rough ride.

Very surprising given almost every single reviewer in Europe, Asia, and the US specifically saying the Ioniq 5 is a smoother ride then the Mach E...

 

[BilLongua]

Agreed, but people should know it is not absolute and just needs to be accepted as normal practice. Depends greatly on where you choose to buy and/or have delivered. It takes time and research to find the right deal and where might be the best place to buy. We live in an instant gratification world, many just want it now and will pay a premium, but it is their choice. Just dont want the practice to be a turn off for some buyers. As mentioned, my buying experience was between identical MME's, one next town over, one a bit further away. The difference in price was $8K in price not to mention the extra 2500 state rebate that the inflated price would have disqualified. Just needs to be taken into consideration...there are alternatives dealers charging the markup would want you to believe dont exist.

Absolutely! When I ordered mine, I made sure to buy from a dealer that didn’t add a markup. I don’t like paying sticker, but when I ordered my sight unseen 2010 Camaro, I wasn’t in a position to negotiate a discount. I was happy not to pay more than MSRP then, and same now with the Mach E. I can see a day when car shopping is less unequal, but we aren’t there yet. Tesla & Rivian are paving the way for that I think, following the Apple store model.

 

[J5hort]

Absolutely! When I ordered mine, I made sure to buy from a dealer that didn’t add a markup. I don’t like paying sticker, but when I ordered my sight unseen 2010 Camaro, I wasn’t in a position to negotiate a discount. I was happy not to pay more than MSRP then, and same now with the Mach E. I can see a day when car shopping is less unequal, but we aren’t there yet. Tesla & Rivian are paving the way for that I think, following the Apple store model.

It is a very interesting model where cars may be bought like TVs or cellphones. I'm sure there are situations where negotiations are done in the electronics showcase, but typically, there is a price and people pay it. I suppose when adverts and website can be searched to find the best deal and retailers are held to that, it makes negotiation unnecessary. The web forced many middle men out of business (remember travel agencies?) EVs in particular, do not need much regular service which is the dealers bread and butter. It may not be long before several outlets would carry and process online orders and the price is either fixed and/or dictated by competition between each outlet. For me, buying the exact MME from Tasca Ford for $8K less than Jack Madden makes me think something is amiss. While some negotiation happened, my decision where to buy was based on one charging a markup (right up front, no questions asked) and one not.

PS. Test drove and went thru initial discussion at Tesla brick-and-mortar showroom. No negotiation, the price was the price... just different ways to pay for it. Very different consumer experience, no traditional sales people, pretty much just assistants to help along the process and answer questions.

 

[oadesign]

It is a very interesting model where cars may be bought like TVs or cellphones. I'm sure there are situations where negotiations are done in the electronics showcase, but typically, there is a price and people pay it. I suppose when adverts and website can be searched to find the best deal and retailers are held to that, it makes negotiation unnecessary. The web forced many middle men out of business (remember travel agencies?) EVs in particular, do not need much regular service which is the dealers bread and butter. It may not be long before several outlets would carry and process online orders and the price is either fixed and/or dictated by competition between each outlet. For me, buying the exact MME from Tasca Ford for $8K less than Jack Madden makes me think something is amiss. While some negotiation happened, my decision where to buy was based on one charging a markup (right up front, no questions asked) and one not.

PS. Test drove and went thru initial discussion at Tesla brick-and-mortar showroom. No negotiation, the price was the price... just different ways to pay for it. Very different consumer experience, no traditional sales people, pretty much just assistants to help along the process and answer questions.

Same here with Tesla...a completely pressure-free, pleasant experience. The Y's ride, however...

 

[timbop]

It is a very interesting model where cars may be bought like TVs or cellphones. I'm sure there are situations where negotiations are done in the electronics showcase, but typically, there is a price and people pay it. I suppose when adverts and website can be searched to find the best deal and retailers are held to that, it makes negotiation unnecessary. The web forced many middle men out of business (remember travel agencies?) EVs in particular, do not need much regular service which is the dealers bread and butter. It may not be long before several outlets would carry and process online orders and the price is either fixed and/or dictated by competition between each outlet. For me, buying the exact MME from Tasca Ford for $8K less than Jack Madden makes me think something is amiss. While some negotiation happened, my decision where to buy was based on one charging a markup (right up front, no questions asked) and one not.

PS. Test drove and went thru initial discussion at Tesla brick-and-mortar showroom. No negotiation, the price was the price... just different ways to pay for it. Very different consumer experience, no traditional sales people, pretty much just assistants to help along the process and answer questions.

Except when it comes to them evaluating your trade-in. They offered my $4000 less than my Ford dealer did for the same car.

 

[J5hort]

Except when it comes to them evaluating your trade-in. They offered my $4000 less than my Ford dealer did for the same car.

Trade in is usually a loser. Especially with today's used car market. I never trade in my old cars as part of the deal. I either keep them or sell on my own. I think people see the trade in part of the deal as more of a convenience in not having to deal with unloading it on their own. Very rarely do I see dealers paying even book value for a trade in...unless using it as part of the bargaining first so they can adjust their other incentives to arrive at the same total. There is a huge market for used cars and my guess will be that the future model includes primarily used cars on lots or outlets vs. new cars.

 

[J5hort]

Same here with Tesla...a completely pressure-free, pleasant experience. The Y's ride, however...

Lack of ability to turn off 1-pedal driving and ineligibility for federal and state EV incentives kept the Y lower on our list to buy. Lease was pretty much on par with what I am paying now with Ford Option less fed and state incentives.

 

[J5hort]

Thought it interesting the following supporting news from Ford recently came out on how dealer and buyers looking to gouge may negatively impact the brand. This seems to be targeted at dealers markup practices and/or individuals looking to do a quick flip.

For the OP, this may be good news as it may be sparked by F150 introduction, but become standard practice for all Ford vehicles.

Huge turn off for most consumers and not good for business. I think Ford has a lot riding on the success of the Lightning. It will also be a pretty good barometer of the EV market in general as the F series is the most popular vehicle sold in the US for the past 1/2 century.

Link to article: https://amp.freep.com/amp/9129717002

 

[SWO]

Car dealers have taken a huge sales hit in the last 2 years from limited inventory and yet their fixed expenses have not changed. So what precisely are they supposed to do to stay in business?

I've bought 2 Ford vehicles this year and both dealers were bragging about how well they've done this year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/03/for...-auto-industrys-top-growth-stock-in-2021.html

 

[BilLongua]

Same here with Tesla...a completely pressure-free, pleasant experience. The Y's ride, however...

It’s also very new, with demand exceeding supply for the most part. I’ll be curious to see which model wins out in 25 years. The dealer model exists for a reason.

 

[oadesign]

It’s also very new, with demand exceeding supply for the most part. I’ll be curious to see which model wins out in 25 years. The dealer model exists for a reason.

Agreed. That, plus Tesla is an outlier.

The pandemic has put some tarnish to the dealers model, but I’d expect that to change once it’s over and the supply chain gets righted.

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