Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

[hiimisaac]

At the moment, Tesla SuperCharger has a clear advantage in a lot of places. More locations, more stalls in each location, better reliability, easier UI (plug-and-charge). All this means using a non-Tesla will require more planning.

It's a tradeoff I have chosen to take. And it looks like you did too.

Like you said, "at the moment". With all the other automotive manufacturers starting to pump money in to Electrify America, I think in as few as probably three years, we might start to see an equal level of reliable chargers. And as more companies integrate with EA, I think we'll even start to see seamless plug-and-charge capabilities.

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[timbop]

Almost forgot they announced that by 2022 The charging network with 12,000 stations “FordPass Charging Network will be around 25,000.

If that is true, then they can't just be relying on EA - there's no way EA can double their chargers in 15 months, particularly with the replacement of so many defective ones right now. Ford must also be working with someone else, or there's a stealth Ford-owned network yet to be unveiled - or both.

 

[timbop]

Demand for the premium Mache is triple what was forecasted compared to the select.

The select with the tech/prep package is only $3500 less than the premium, so I can see a lot of people going for that instead. I myself don't care about the sound system and don't want a fixed glass roof (and I am also a cheapskate), so I stayed with the Select but it was a close call.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Is that 7000-10000 customer units or total? My original order number falls within that range if we are talking total units.

The way I read it was 7000 to 10000 total MME's to be built this calendar year (including FCTP vehicles). The remainder to be built beginning in 2021. Only a small portion of the orders will be delivered or even built this year. At least that's how I understood the comment, and similar ones @trutolife27 as made in the past.

If you look at the spreadsheet updates @ChasingCoral put up for the 50,000 car build, it might give you a better guess as to whether your particular vehicle will make it to your door this year.

Good luck.

 

[SnBGC]

Which Form of Electrification is Most Suitable for You?


Sep-11-2020

DUNTON, England – Recently, @Ford reported how a Ford of Britain survey found almost half (46 per cent) of people polled don’t intend to buy an electrified vehicle in the future.
Why? More than a third (37 per cent) felt range anxiety is an issue, 53 per cent had concerns about EV affordability, and 51 per cent were worried about where to charge EVs.
To help debunk some of the myths surrounding electrification, Ford is relaunching its Go Electric roadshow in Europe, starting in Rotterdam later this month.
There, visitors will be able to find out all about Ford’s comprehensive electrified vehicle offerings, the different forms of electrification the company offers, and they’ll also get to see he all-new Mustang Mach-E.

Debunking the myths surrounding electric vehicles is going to be the hardest part to accomplish. Probably the most successful method I have witnessed is a PHEV. I jokingly call them "EV training wheels" because once a person gets a taste of it then they want more and begin looking for a full BEV.

I think Ford has a good strategy. The Mach E will bring people to the showrooms where the majority will end up with a PHEV of some kind, especially since many will qualify for a healthy federal tax credit here in the U.S. I think Ford is going to have several models available in the near future to choose from. While a PHEV is not ideal....it is a great way to transition to fully electric and I think that is the path many folks will take.

Edit: Remember, Ford's biggest problem is not EV demand....it's battery supply. They can build and sell many more PHEV vehicles than BEV with the same battery supply. Something to think about.......

 

[dbsb3233]

I've roadtripped quite a bit in our EV and I'm never at a station for more than 5-15 mins because of the charging curve.

Ford says the Mach-E adds 61 miles of range in 10 minutes. Although that's gotta be in the best part of the charge curve (down near the 10-30% SOC area) because they still also say 10-80% in 45 minutes (w/ER battery), which is a broader average of 47 miles in 10 minutes.

But on the highway (high speed), 61 miles is probably more like 50 miles. That would be stopping every 50 miles for a 10 minute charge.

Although at present, EA's chargers along major interstates (outside of CA) seem to average around 80 miles apart. So basically stopping at every charger for about a 20 minute charge (plus the time it takes to get on/off the interstate to the charger. Maybe 25-30 minutes per stop between each 75 minute drive leg.

We're kind of slaves to EA spacing right now. Be nice if they can fill in more of those (maybe every 30 miles) to we can skip more, and have more emergency back-ups if a planned stop is full or broken.

 

[abr]

If parts shortage and supplier constraints are a problem, have they thought about Home Depot???

 

[dbsb3233]

I think Ford has a good strategy. The Mach E will bring people to the showrooms where the majority will end up with a PHEV of some kind, especially since many will qualify for a healthy federal tax credit here in the U.S. I think Ford is going to have several models available in the near future to choose from. While a PHEV is not ideal....it is a great way to transition to fully electric and I think that is the path many folks will take.

Agreed, I think Ford is really embarking on more of a PHEV push this decade than a BEV push. It's an easier transition for mainstream buyers as it solves the big problem (road trips). And most miles go on electricity (the daily commute miles).

Another thing that makes PHEV's an easier sell -- 120V is usually sufficient for an overnight charge. So no need to spend $500-$1000 on a 240V install. And it's easier to find a random 120V outlet in an apartment or employer's parking garage or lot.

By the time it's ready to retire and replace the PHEV at the end of this decade, BEVs should have much better batteries, much faster charging, and much better charger coverage.

 

[hiimisaac]

Ford says the Mach-E adds 61 miles of range in 10 minutes. Although that's gotta be in the best part of the charge curve (down near the 10-30% SOC area) because they still also say 10-80% in 45 minutes (w/ER battery), which is a broader average of 47 miles in 10 minutes.

But on the highway (high speed), 61 miles is probably more like 50 miles. That would be stopping every 50 miles for a 10 minute charge.

Although at present, EA's chargers along major interstates (outside of CA) seem to average around 80 miles apart. So basically stopping at every charger for about a 20 minute charge (plus the time it takes to get on/off the interstate to the charger. Maybe 25-30 minutes per stop between each 75 minute drive leg.

We're kind of slaves to EA spacing right now. Be nice if they can fill in more of those (maybe every 30 miles) to we can skip more, and have more emergency back-ups if a planned stop is full or broken.

Yeah, I guess that's really the big question here. I currently pull in to charge roughly every 1.5 - 2 hours. So, if we estimate 70mph speed limit, that's roughly 105 miles - 140 miles before stopping to charge. I'm also not afraid to pull into a charger with 2-5% remaining, either, though. So, until the EA chargers are spaced apart better (as you said), OR Ford realizes that the charging profile can be expanded, then I don't think we'd be taking my car as a road trip car. But, for short jaunts to a nearby city (80-90 miles away), I don't think that's too far out of the equation.

I'd love to take the MME on a cross-country roadtrip and see the efficiency and how it does with the EA chargers spacing... gonna have to find a way to label this as a fishing trip so my wife doesn't want to come and want to stop to pee every 3.2 minutes, lmao.

 

[dbsb3233]

The way I read it was 7000 to 10000 total MME's to be built this calendar year (including FCTP vehicles). The remainder to be built beginning in 2021. Only a small portion of the orders will be delivered or even built this year. At least that's how I understood the comment, and similar ones @trutolife27 as made in the past.

If you look at the spreadsheet updates @ChasingCoral put up for the 50,000 car build, it might give you a better guess as to whether your particular vehicle will make it to your door this year.

Good luck.

And most of the ones built in Dec likely mean Jan delivery. The key for hoping for a 2020 delivery is how many can be built in (or before) November (or maybe by Dec 10 to have any shot at a late Dec delivery).

 

[ARK]

Agreed, I think Ford is really embarking on more of a PHEV push this decade than a BEV push. It's an easier transition for mainstream buyers as it solves the big problem (road trips). And most miles go on electricity (the daily commute miles).

Another thing that makes PHEV's an easier sell -- 120V is usually sufficient for an overnight charge. So no need to spend $500-$1000 on a 240V install. And it's easier to find a random 120V outlet in an apartment or employer's parking garage or lot.

By the time it's ready to retire and replace the PHEV at the end of this decade, BEVs should have much better batteries, much faster charging, and much better charger coverage.

Even for the MME, the 120V should be enough if you don't have a long commute. At least, I plan to try and live with a 120V at first as my sole charger. Before the pandemic, my roundtrip commute was 10 miles. At a few miles charge per hour, a 120V should still get me like 35-45 miles of range overnight.

 

[zhackwyatt]

Yeah, this was the most informative thread but it's gone completely off the rails.

That is a problem all over this forum sadly.

 

[timbop]

That is a problem all over this forum sadly.

Sure, but it's not because we have tiny attention spans or are purposely derailing threads. Only occasionally we get scraps of information, so we can either keep talking about the same scrap ad nauseam, or allow ourselves the diversion of an off topic discussion. Once the cars start hitting the street it will be a different situation, but for now we're bored and need something to to talk about.

Like right now.

 

[janitorjim]

100 (couldn't resist)

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Sure, but it's not because we have tiny attention spans or are purposely derailing threads. Only occasionally we get scraps of information, so we can either keep talking about the same scrap ad nauseam, or allow ourselves the diversion of an off topic discussion. Once the cars start hitting the street it will be a different situation, but for now we're bored and need something to to talk about.

Like right now.

Generally, we end up back on track whenever @trutolife27 or @ChasingCoral post an "insider" update. With today's info, for example, we know:

1. Quality isn't where Ford wants it at just yet. Personally I have no doubt they'll reach or get very close to their target quality metrics.
2. Target Production numbers for the 2020 calendar year are now 7,000 to 10,000 units. While the 7,000 number is news to us, and lower than a previous number mentioned. It's quite possible that was always the post-pandemic onset goal.
3. Parts are still an issue. Not surprising IMO, but still of concern to customers of course. The question I have is how much that will impact deliveries as we progress further into 2021 and whether it will impact model years for those late(r) in the ordering process, if at all.

Everything else is just fluff. Or we could all post cat pictures between updates? I'll start.

99 to go.

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