Anyone else have HVJBC anxiety?

[scoopman]

A vehicle can be towed with a wheel lift and dollies setup out of a multi-story garage.

But that does not sound like a fun time. I would be if I had to have someone do that.

Might be easier to just park outside and get a sun shade for your windshield until Ford has its engineering #$%#$ together and fixes our cars.

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[SpaceEVDriver]

.... So I’m going with a probability higher than 1/100 and I don’t think of that as all that unlikely.

You're assuming the population of the forum, especially the active forum, is a representative sample of the population of the vast majority of Mustang owners. I suspect that if there were even close to one out of every hundred Mustangs in the rest of the world experiencing this failure, we would have seen reports about these failures being celebrated in the anti-EV and anti-Mach-E media. We saw this with "as many as" 464 Mustangs having an "unintended acceleration" software problem when Ford started a "recall" a couple of weeks ago.

But, again, my calculus is for my situation. The question was, "anyone else have HVBJB anxiety?" My answer is that I do not.

And the comment just made by @scoopman is exactly the type of calculus I don't have to make (I don't have to worry about kids in the car anymore as ours are out of the house)...while at the same time, we do similar things for the most part. We allow charging from 01:00 to about 14:00, which is *usually* outside of the times we return home after driving, but also takes advantage of our PV system. We have the car set to precondition for the times when we know we're going somewhere. If we're driving on a long trip, we'll start the car 10-30 minutes before we leave. We usually spend a few minutes after turning the car on before pulling out of the driveway. We don't accelerate very hard, nor decelerate with regen very hard. Not because we're worried about it but because we just don't drive like that.

 

[Blue highway]

No I’m not concerned.

over the years in some rather expensive cars I’ve had:
Transmission failure
Water pump failure
Flat tires (no spare)
Burst radiator hose
Blown head gasket
Ignition module failure
Failed serpentine belt
Failed alternator
Failed heater core
Failed McPherson strut

if you are nervous about this, I’d suggest you trade the car for something else. Just don’t assume the grass is greener elsewhere.

 

[scoopman]

You're assuming the population of the forum, especially the active forum, is a representative sample of the population of the vast majority of Mustang owners. I suspect that if there were even close to one out of every hundred Mustangs in the rest of the world experiencing this failure, we would have seen reports about these failures being celebrated in the anti-EV and anti-Mach-E media. We saw this with "as many as" 464 Mustangs having an "unintended acceleration" software problem when Ford started a "recall" a couple of weeks ago.

But, again, my calculus is for my situation. The question was, "anyone else have HVBJB anxiety?" My answer is that I do not.

And the comment just made by @scoopman is exactly the type of calculus I don't have to make (I don't have to worry about kids in the car anymore as ours are out of the house)...while at the same time, we do similar things for the most part. We allow charging from 01:00 to about 14:00, which is *usually* outside of the times we return home after driving, but also takes advantage of our PV system. We have the car set to precondition for the times when we know we're going somewhere. If we're driving on a long trip, we'll start the car 10-30 minutes before we leave. We usually spend a few minutes after turning the car on before pulling out of the driveway. We don't accelerate very hard, nor decelerate with regen very hard. Not because we're worried about it but because we just don't drive like that.

I think none of us knows the actual failure rate except for Ford -- you have to know the failures vs population of cars and our info and assumptions are just too imperfect to draw any conclusions.

All I know is on a Sunday morning, I went to get bagels. When I pulled into my garage, took my ? out, and plugged in my car set to charge right then since it was off-peak hours for PG&E, and ?. Was not fun.

 

[buzznwood]

But that does not sound like a fun time. I would be if I had to have someone do that.

Might be easier to just park outside and get a sun shade for your windshield until Ford has its engineering #$%#$ together and fixes our cars.

It is really only an issue if the vehicle can't be moved due to the nature of the mechanical issue that has happened, if you can get it into neutral and it moves freely and you can still operate the brakes and steering (will give your arms and legs a good workout power assistance lol) then you just push it out.

100% agree on ford needing to sort this out nobody should be in a situation thinking that today may be the day my mach-e fails and leaves me stranded so they have to start changing parking routines, putting off long distane road trips or resorting to using another vehcile.

 

[DevSecOps]

I have absolutely no fear or anxiety regarding this.

In general, though, I don't worry about anything that I have no control over. In my opinion, it's extremely toxic to worry about things we cant control. The reason I made a thread about this subject was to help inform and prepare people in the VERY unlikely event that this would happen to them. Being prepared is the best way to stay calm now and also in the event you have this issue.

Some people have never changed a tire, others had our parents "make" us change a tire when we were 12 years old so that we would know how, in the event we needed to do that.

The chance that you'll have this happen is so low, in fact, that I'm sure that the likelihood you'll be in an accident is probably higher, based on those stats (1/366).

 

[P. T. Magoo]

My HVBJB went out earlier this month and part of the repair was working with engineering to update the software. I have a feeling this software is going to be a OTA update and I would have to believe those who have the failure before the update will have the update done as part of the replacement of the HVBJB.

While I'm very sorry you had a HVJB failure, I want to thank you for pointing this out about the software update as part of your repair. For once, I'm kind of glad my car is still on a train somewhere. Seems like it increases the chances it will arrive with this software update already installed, or at least it decreases the time I'm driving around before the update is released to the general MME public.

I'll admit I'm nervous, but far less nervous having soaked up the hive wisdom on this forum the last several months.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

To be clear: I am not saying this isn't a problem. Nor that it doesn't need to be fixed by Ford. If it happens to me, it will absolutely be a craptastic time, no doubt.

I'm just saying I'm going to continue driving like I have been and am not going to let the possibilities of what might happen stop me from enjoying it.

 

[buzznwood]

Good to know. I never seen a car being towed out of the a multi-story garage. That's why I was wondering.

It happens quite frequently, here is youtube link that will give you an idea what they do so you can work out if it will be an issue and you need to start parking in a different spot.

 

[sherylcamp]

I've had a private conversation with another member who has had the HVJB and BECM replacement (same as me). The fact that having the parts replaced (with presumptively the same parts that failed) brings less than no confidence that getting stranded again isn't in our future. @Ford Motor Company, do you hear this? What's being done to actually resolve the issue, throwing replacement parts at the problem, the same parts that failed, effectively bricking the car, isn't enough. The fact that others have had this repair, only to have the parts fail again, isn't confidence inspiring. It brings new meaning to the acronym Found On Road Dead.

What does HVJB and BECM actually mean? I’m new here. My hubs got delivery of our California Route 1 while I was in Europe. I feel like I’m playing catch up. I only just drove her for the first time yesterday after jet lag let up.
Thanks in advance.

 

[RMoore]

I have absolutely no fear or anxiety regarding this.

In general, though, I don't worry about anything that I have no control over. In my opinion, it's extremely toxic to worry about things we cant control. The reason I made a thread about this subject was to help inform and prepare people in the VERY unlikely event that this would happen to them. Being prepared is the best way to stay calm now and also in the event you have this issue.

Some people have never changed a tire, others had our parents "make" us change a tire when we were 12 years old so that we would know how, in the event we needed to do that.

The chance that you'll have this happen is so low, in fact, that I'm sure that the likelihood you'll be in an accident is probably higher, based on those stats (1/366).

Agree with you on many of those points though I’m curious how you estimate the likelihood is less than 1/366. With 40,000 MMEs on the road you’d expect fewer than 100 or so cases of failures and we have 40 just on this forum. Yes that’s not a representative sample but it’s also still not close to the whole MME population. I agree we don’t have enough data but my guess is that it’s closer to 1/100. We may never find out the true # of cases but I do agree with what you have said previously that of course Ford is well aware and working hard on this. And I also agree with what you have said about their not being able to talk about this publicly until they have things worked out. That’s just the way it is for a big company in a highly regulated industry.

 

[scoopman]

It happens quite frequently, here is youtube link that will give you an idea what they do so you can work out if it will be an issue and you need to start parking in a different spot.

Hey these tow truck guys seem qualified to tow yellow cars too! I know who I'm callin if I am stuck in a parking garage in Oklahoma.

 

[BalsaDust]

While my car sits just 10 miles away at the autoport in Wilmington, I have no fear of the unknown. If it happens to me, thats just something that needs to be handled.
With the few accounts of issues here of the HVJB issue it only accounts for the small percentage of owners who actually are on this forum.
Then there is the unknown number of owners NOT on this or any other forum who may or may not have experienced the same issues.
If Ford had experienced a larger number of failures there would be an official recall right now.

Tony

 

[DevSecOps]

Agree with you on many of those points though I’m curious how you estimate the likelihood is less than 1/366.

I have no idea if it is or not in all honesty. Either way, even if you're 3x more likely to be in an accident my point is that we don't worry about it, at least most people probably don't. I have a seat-belt cutter and window punch in the arm-rest console. Again, not because I'm worried, but if I get in a situation where I need it, I'm prepared. I also have a battery pack in the MME in case I do have 12v failure. I don't think I ever will, but it can also be used if I come across someone else who needs a jump. Lastly, I have barf-bags because nieces ... (prior experience)

Just different mindsets between people. No right or wrong way, but to my mind no worries + preparedness = sanity.

 

[BigMach-E]

Here's the thing that I think the people who are stating that it doesn't give them any sort of pause might not be taking into account. It appears that most people who have had this happen to their vehicles have had it happen in the 9-14k mile range. Many of these cars haven't hit that milage. It is significant, even if it's happening to a conservative half a percent of the cars, no matter what. It's very unlikely to only be 0.3 percent or less. I don't know where anyone is getting the numbers to say it isn't an issue, as the number we do know is 40 people on this forum self reporting, and some of them having it happen to multiple times. As for using the car accident as a comparison, it's apples to oranges, there are lots of behaviors that one can have that mitigate that risk, and that risk happens with every car. HVJBC failures like this pertain to only this car as far as I am aware. Are there other EVs that have them? There is nothing that one can do to mitigate the risk here, except for not driving the Mach-E. I still drive the car, and I want to believe in Ford Engineering, but I expect it's going to happen again, and I won't be surprised when it does. I think it's the height of folly to say "I'm not worried, it's not going to happen to me". You don't know yet.

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