Safety Recall 22S41 - 2021-2022 Mach E - HVBJB Recall [high voltage battery main contactors may overheat]

[Secret Sauce]

Ford will have to "represent" it as a fix? It sure sounds like you are saying Ford will have to lie.

Ford does not have to lie. Ford might choose to lie. It does not have to lie.

Not what I am saying at all. They have to represent to NHTSA that this is a workable solution to the problem in order for the recall to be resolved. So no it does not mean they have to "lie" but it also doesn't mean they won't have to do something else in the future if the initial solution doesn't work in the field.

I know this thread is useless for information as no one knows the final results as all are just speculating or complaining.

Ford technically has a fix, it's just not what owners want or signed up for before buying the MME. Ford has to limit by using software to protect poorly designed components. Performance will suffer, we just don't know the extent of it.

There is not much we can do, Ford is not obligated to upgrade the part. They are obligated to fix the problem anyway they can, and it turns out software will be it.

Did I get anything wrong?

It doesn't have to be useless if we are sharing what we're hearing from our dealerships or other informed sources. That's why I came here, not for uninformed speculation dressed up as knowledge. We're seeing a whole lot of that here.

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[phil]

I know this thread is useless for information as no one knows the final results as all are just speculating or complaining.

Ford technically has a fix, it's just not what owners want or signed up for before buying the MME. Ford has to limit by using software to protect poorly designed components. Performance will suffer, we just don't know the extent of it.

There is not much we can do, Ford is not obligated to upgrade the part. They are obligated to fix the problem anyway they can, and it turns out software will be it.

Did I get anything wrong?

Neither wrong, nor right. You are merely speculating - as you said. As we all are.

 

[Secret Sauce]

Correct - All manufactured prior to 5/25 are under the recall at this time. That may change but my understanding is we will not know for 100% until mid July.

Where are you hearing mid-July?

 

[Fixbear]

Ford has to go through a lot of QC's, inspection data, build data, source data etc.. That takes a lot of time to review. Let alone all the different departments involved. Then test the suspected problems to come to a accurate answer before they can release it. None of us want a fake fix or assumption as a answer. Give them time, I'm sure they are working hard on this. And last of all, let's not forget that everything then has to go to LEGAL!

 

[fpasta]

Either that, or the Amperage on the SR RWD is still too high for the part.

If that is the case i hope not then yes the higher HP trims especially the GT will definitely see a performance hit

 

[AKgrampy]

Where are you hearing mid-July?

In The NHTSA report Ford stated info will be sent to Dealers July 13 and letters to consumers go out starting July 18th

 

[AKgrampy]

If it is due in a few weeks perhaps the software update will be out soon after it arrives.

 

[Secret Sauce]

In The NHTSA report Ford stated info will be sent to Dealers July 13 and letters to consumers go out starting July 18th

The complete statement from NHTSA:

Jun 13,2022​

Manufacturer Recall Number22S41​

NHTSA Recall NumberAwaiting#​

Recall StatusRecall Incomplete, remedy not yet available​

SummaryON YOUR VEHICLE, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT THE HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY MAIN CONTACTORS MAY OVERHEAT, WHICH CAN RESULT IN AN OPEN CONTACTOR OR WELDING CONDITION.​

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Safety RiskSHOULD THE CONTACTORS WELD CLOSED WHILE DRIVING, A POWERTRAIN MALFUNCTION WARNING LIGHT WILL BE ILLUMINATED ON THE NEXT DRIVE CYCLE, ALONG WITH A NO START CONDITION. IF THE CONTACTORS OPEN WHILE DRIVING, A POWERTRAIN MALFUNCTION WARNING LIGHT WILL BE ILLUMINATED, THE VEHICLE WILL DISPLAY STOP SAFELY NOW IN THE INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER, AND THE VEHICLE WILL EXPERIENCE AN IMMEDIATE LOSS OF MOTIVE POWER. THE VEHICLE WILL COAST TO A STOP, AND ALL 12V SYSTEMS INCLUDING POWER BRAKES AND STEERING WILL REMAIN FUNCTIONAL.​

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RemedyFORD MOTOR COMPANY IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO DEVELOP SOFTWARE FOR THIS REPAIR. WHEN SOFTWARE IS AVAILABLE, FORD MOTOR COMPANY WILL BEGIN DEPLOYMENT AS A FORD POWERUP SOFTWARE UPDATE AND WILL ALSO NOTIFY YOU VIA MAIL OF THE OPTION TO SCHEDULE A SERVICE APPOINTMENT WITH YOUR DEALER FOR REPAIRS TO BE COMPLETED FREE OF CHARGE PARTS AND LABOR. SOFTWARE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE AVAILABLE BY END OF Q3 2022.​

The complete statement from Ford:

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2022/06/15/mustang-mach-e-recall-faq.html

As far as I can tell, this is all we know officially. If you have another source with more specifics, please provide the linkage.

 

[AKgrampy]

The complete statement from NHTSA:

Jun 13,2022​

Manufacturer Recall Number22S41​

NHTSA Recall NumberAwaiting#​

Recall StatusRecall Incomplete, remedy not yet available​

SummaryON YOUR VEHICLE, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT THE HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY MAIN CONTACTORS MAY OVERHEAT, WHICH CAN RESULT IN AN OPEN CONTACTOR OR WELDING CONDITION.​

​

Safety RiskSHOULD THE CONTACTORS WELD CLOSED WHILE DRIVING, A POWERTRAIN MALFUNCTION WARNING LIGHT WILL BE ILLUMINATED ON THE NEXT DRIVE CYCLE, ALONG WITH A NO START CONDITION. IF THE CONTACTORS OPEN WHILE DRIVING, A POWERTRAIN MALFUNCTION WARNING LIGHT WILL BE ILLUMINATED, THE VEHICLE WILL DISPLAY STOP SAFELY NOW IN THE INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER, AND THE VEHICLE WILL EXPERIENCE AN IMMEDIATE LOSS OF MOTIVE POWER. THE VEHICLE WILL COAST TO A STOP, AND ALL 12V SYSTEMS INCLUDING POWER BRAKES AND STEERING WILL REMAIN FUNCTIONAL.​

​

RemedyFORD MOTOR COMPANY IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO DEVELOP SOFTWARE FOR THIS REPAIR. WHEN SOFTWARE IS AVAILABLE, FORD MOTOR COMPANY WILL BEGIN DEPLOYMENT AS A FORD POWERUP SOFTWARE UPDATE AND WILL ALSO NOTIFY YOU VIA MAIL OF THE OPTION TO SCHEDULE A SERVICE APPOINTMENT WITH YOUR DEALER FOR REPAIRS TO BE COMPLETED FREE OF CHARGE PARTS AND LABOR. SOFTWARE IS ANTICIPATED TO BE AVAILABLE BY END OF Q3 2022.​

The complete statement from Ford:

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2022/06/15/mustang-mach-e-recall-faq.html

As far as I can tell, this is all we know officially. If you have another source with more specifics, please provide the linkage.

Being a computer illiterate I am not going thru searching for it again. There is a post early on in this thread that has the link. Or go to the NHTSA site and you can read it. There are two pdf’s. One identifies modules being affected, etc and states the notification info I provided to you. Of course that could change but that is the information available. Hopefully this works!

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2022/RCLRPT-22V412-2331.PDF

 

[Secret Sauce]

Being a computer illiterate I am not going thru searching for it again. There is a post early on in this thread that has the link. Or go to the NHTSA site and you can read it. There are two pdf’s. One identifies modules being affected, etc and states the notification info I provided to you. Of course that could change but that is the information available. Hopefully this works!

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2022/RCLRPT-22V412-2331.PDF

I also found this by searching for it by model instead of by VIN (which brings up the notice I quoted), but the dates are different from what you posted. It says planned notification to dealers is June 13 (so this has already happened), and letters sent to owners July 18-22. So this is only about the notifications of the recall to dealerships and customers. Nothing is said about the timing of the solution, which is only vaguely outlined in NHTSA and Ford's statements.

 

[BillPitman]

Not necessarily. It covers every day of production but that doesn't mean every trim/pack/motor combination has an issue...but it could! More info will come later.

Do any of the “tech” members know if there are any OBD Pids I should be monitoring using my OBDLink M+ dongle & Carscanner?! Bill Pitman

 

[shelnian]

Either that, or the Amperage on the SR RWD is still too high for the part.

The DC fast charging amperage, I believe, can cause the issue on any MME because the high current thru the contactors lasts a lot longer then a Wide Open Throttle event.

 

[Jim_I]

OK, I am not going to comment on any of the Ford corporate strategy or performance
degradation issues that have been beaten to death in the 93 pages and 1383 threads I have read...

Mine is more of a common sense line of thinking about the entire picture.

What I found interesting was back around page 75, where there was a link to another thread that had lots of pictures of the HVBJB. If you really look at those you can see fuses and contactors contained in that unit.

Fuses blow out and contactors wear out. That is a given. So how did anyone sign off on putting that component in a space that had no easy way to it to change those parts??? Shouldn't there have been an access panel on the top of the battery cover and another under the back seat to get to this?

I am no engineer, but I have had to fix lots of things. Those with good designs had thought about repairs in advance and made it easy to fix them.

Having to drop the entire battery module to swap out a contactor is just nuts! That is like putting your home electrical breaker panel underneath the septic tank. After all, how often does a breaker really trip?

Next item: The OTA implementations have not gone all that well, at least for me. I have yet to have a successful OTA installation go correctly. My car always ends up at the dealership at the request of a Ford tech calling me back on my case #. And then my car is gone for days at a time. So what makes all of you think the OTA will download and install perfectly this time?

One other thing: We were all given free kWh amounts for charging at EA DCFC stations. I have barely used any of mine, planning on using them on a trip we have planned later this year. Now we are told that DCFC charging is not recommended with high speed driving. Those free hours expire for me at the end of March, 2023. So if I have to rent another car for the trip, since the MME is not capable of safely making that trip and those free charging sessions expire, what a deal for Ford!!!

Just something else to think about while we are waiting for Ford to get this fixed!

JMHO

Jim

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