MME vs Chevy Blazer EV

[ARK]

Detroit Free Press says the following on pricing in this article:


Here are the Blazer EV trim levels with prices and range on a full charge:

• 1LT: Starts at $44,955. Gets 247 miles of range.
• 2LT: Starts at $47,595. Gets 293 miles of range.
• RS: Starts at $51,995. Gets 320 miles of range.
• SS: Starts at $65,995. Gets 298 miles of range.

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[voxel]

Prices announced. Reservations made

I don't think GM will hit their target dates. The Lyriq is already behind about 3 months. Folks were supposed to get Debut Editions around Sept but production dates for orders are around that timeframe.

It does look great though... the interior is a great combo of physical and digital controls

 

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[BigMach-E]

I mean, I might actually step up to the SS. I put a res down.

I'm going to hope for higher top speed than the Select AWD, no power limiting at higher speeds like the GT/GTPE, and that they actually deliver.

Right now, my gf has a reservation on the Ocean, I have a reservation on an Aptera, a PEAR and now a Blazer EV SS. Not really certain I am going to pull the trigger on any of them. I think the gf is going to go with the Ocean Sport if it delivers.

Here's my current calculus: my Mach-E Select AWD is great, and fast enough. Has the utility I need.

Blazer SS has better performance, and the ventilated/heated seats are great. Charges faster. Shaving a second plus off 0-60 is cool. No tax credit, but I got one for the Mach-E. If the value of selling the Mach-E is only 10 k less than I paid when I can take delivery of the Blazer, I would feel like I came out ahead.

Aptera: doesn't provide the utility of my Mach-E, but 400 miles of range is cool. Also no tax credit because it's 3 wheeled. Faster 0-60 @ 3.5, and true solar charging.

Fisker PEAR: so many unknowns, no idea if it's going to be a good EV, but likely to get the full tax credit.

Me and the lady might go: Ocean Sport as a lease for her, I keep my Mach-E. Call it a day.

Fisker PEAR as a buy for her, I keep my Mach-E.

I sell my Mach-E, buy the Blazer EV SS, gf gets the Fisher Ocean as a buy/lease. Forget about the other reservations.

There are other ideas, lots rides on not having another catastrophic failure of my HVJB, if that happens again, I'm getting it fixed under warranty, and just selling and getting whatever reservation is available for delivery first.

 

[voxel]

https://electrek.co/2022/07/18/2024-chevy-blazer-ev

 

[voxel]

Right now, my gf has a reservation on the Ocean, I have a reservation on an Aptera, a PEAR and now a Blazer EV SS. Not really certain I am going to pull the trigger on any of them. I think the gf is going to go with the Ocean Sport if it delivers.

Fisker PEAR: so many unknowns, no idea if it's going to be a good EV, but likely to get the full tax credit.

While I have a Fisker reservation, I think it is mostly vaporware outside the One/Extreme trims. I don't see enough profit margins in the lower trims and that MSRP price doesn't include shipping which is supposed to be $2500 and where are these cars even being delivered or serviced?

You probably want a Genesis GV60 Performance or Kia EV6 GT (not GT-Line) for top speed. The GT is no joke...

 

[BigMach-E]

While I have a Fisker reservation, I think it is mostly vaporware outside the One/Extreme trims. I don't see enough profit margins in the lower trims and that MSRP price doesn't include shipping which is supposed to be $2500 and where are these cars even being delivered or serviced?

You probably want a Genesis GV60 Performance or Kia EV6 GT (not GT-Line) for top speed. The GT is no joke...

Eeh, I like the GV60 Performance, but the range is meh. Probably going to be 2 years after reservation to get one. Also seems small inside. Can't bring myself to buy a Kia, and the GF wouldn't allow it. Blazer EV kinda ticks all these boxes for me. I agree, the Ocean seems like such a crap shoot. My gf likes the styling though. The PEAR is like "it's an EV for less than 25 k after the tax credit". No idea what kind of quality Fisker/Foxconn will have with their first production vehicle, tho. Blazer EV SS, if it ended up that my monthly was like 200 bucks more, I would consider it. We may just keep doing what we are doing, her Mazda 6 serves her well, and we love it (other than it being ICE, and a little old) and I just get this Mach-E paid off.

I'm clearly EV crazed at this point tho.

 

[ARK]

I'm going to hope for higher top speed than the Select AWD, no power limiting at higher speeds like the GT/GTPE, and that they actually deliver.

GM does have power limiting on their most powerful EVs. On the Hummer EV, you have to enter Watts to Freedom mode for it to be a 3.3 second 0-60 vehicle. Otherwise, if you just mash the accelerator at a traffic light, it’s more like a 4.9 second vehicle.

On the Blazer EV, they are calling it Wide Open Watts. That’s how sub-4 seconds will be achieved in this vehicle.

Even Tesla has this on the new Model S and X. They call it Drag Strip mode, and the car needs around 15 min to prep for it. That’s how the Model S Plaid gets its 2 second 0-60 time.

Ford essentially took a different approach with the Mach-E. Instead of entering a special mode, the GTs are effectively always defaulting to their fastest possible acceleration under any given circumstances (the number of gray bars present).

Downside is you can’t force the vehicle to max acceleration when you necessarily want it. Upside is, no special temporary mode or prep time is required - in any drive mode, you floor it and that’s it.

And to be clear, you can’t (shouldn’t?) always drive in WTF, WOW, or Drag Strip modes the way you absolutely can with Unbridled. It is meant for short bursts (I bet this means these modes are rarely used).

So while the Mach-E limiter is definitely more conspicuous, I’d guess the way Ford designed it makes it a lot more usable and accessible for the vast majority of people.

Last thing I’ll say, all these automakers do this because it is in the nature of EV motors to be able to provide short bursts of extreme power that they can’t otherwise maintain over a longer period of time.

So I think we will keep seeing these type of short term super motor bursts implemented in one way or another. But clearly, people don’t seem to like the way Ford implemented their EV motor ‘overdrive’.

 

[vinny2487]

Certainly reminds me of all the features I expected my MME to have a year ago and I'm still waiting for.

Ford, are you seeing this shit? 190kw charging, motorized charge door, 500hp, cooled seats, supercruise on day 1...

While very similar looking to the MME at certain angles, it certainly looks like Chevy has a winner here.

The Blazer won't come out for at least another year. And given the delays they're having with the Lyriq, you likely won't see the Blazer until the end of 2023. By then the MME could be entering a mid cycle refresh.

 

[vinny2487]

That infotainment system reminds me of what Lexus currently has in the the NX.

 

[voxel]

GM does have power limiting on their most powerful EVs. On the Hummer EV, you have to enter Watts to Freedom mode for it to be a 3.3 second 0-60 vehicle. Otherwise, if you just mash the accelerator at a traffic light, it’s more like a 4.9 second vehicle.

On the Blazer EV, they are calling it Wide Open Watts. That’s how sub-4 seconds will be achieved in this vehicle.

Even Tesla has this on the new Model S and X. They call it Drag Strip mode, and the car needs around 15 min to prep for it. That’s how the Model S Plaid gets its 2 second 0-60 time.

Ford essentially took a different approach with the Mach-E. Instead of entering a special mode, the GTs are effectively always defaulting to their fastest possible acceleration under any given circumstances (the number of gray bars present).

Downside is you can’t force the vehicle to max acceleration when you necessarily want it. Upside is, no special temporary mode or prep time is required - in any drive mode, you floor it and that’s it.

And to be clear, you can’t (shouldn’t?) always drive in WTF, WOW, or Drag Strip modes the way you absolutely can with Unbridled. It is meant for short bursts (I bet this means these modes are rarely used).

So while the Mach-E limiter is definitely more conspicuous, I’d guess the way Ford designed it makes it a lot more usable and accessible for the vast majority of people.

Last thing I’ll say, all these automakers do this because it is in the nature of EV motors to be able to provide short bursts of extreme power that they can’t otherwise maintain over a longer period of time.

So I think we will keep seeing these type of short term super motor bursts implemented in one way or another. But clearly, people don’t seem to like the way Ford implemented their EV motor ‘overdrive’.

My opinion is the MME performance is battery limited and not related to the motors because the GTPE uses some seriously overpowered motors. I argue that Lucid could build an EV that smokes any Plaid with their 1000V architecture and battery packs.

FYI Drag Strip mode is simply battery preconditioning. Teslas can run back to back in drag races without problems.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-43B58CAD-3DB7-4421-BFCA-0E921B6F731D.html

Drag Strip Mode
Drag Strip Mode preconditions the Battery and drive unit to ideal operating temperatures for timed acceleration. Model X stays in Drag Strip Mode for three hours, even if you leave the vehicle. After three hours, the feature times out to prevent unnecessary energy consumption (for example, you leave the vehicle and forget to cancel Drag Strip Mode).

 

[BigMach-E]

GM does have power limiting on their most powerful EVs. On the Hummer EV, you have to enter Watts to Freedom mode for it to be a 3.3 second 0-60 vehicle. Otherwise, if you just mash the accelerator at a traffic light, it’s more like a 4.9 second vehicle.

On the Blazer EV, they are calling it Wide Open Watts. That’s how sub-4 seconds will be achieved in this vehicle.

Even Tesla has this on the new Model S and X. They call it Drag Strip mode, and the car needs around 15 min to prep for it. That’s how the Model S Plaid gets its 2 second 0-60 time.

Ford essentially took a different approach with the Mach-E. Instead of entering a special mode, the GTs are effectively always defaulting to their fastest possible acceleration under any given circumstances (the number of gray bars present).

Downside is you can’t force the vehicle to max acceleration when you necessarily want it. Upside is, no special temporary mode or prep time is required - in any drive mode, you floor it and that’s it.

And to be clear, you can’t (shouldn’t?) always drive in WTF, WOW, or Drag Strip modes the way you absolutely can with Unbridled. It is meant for short bursts (I bet this means these modes are rarely used).

So while the Mach-E limiter is definitely more conspicuous, I’d guess the way Ford designed it makes it a lot more usable and accessible for the vast majority of people.

Last thing I’ll say, all these automakers do this because it is in the nature of EV motors to be able to provide short bursts of extreme power that they can’t otherwise maintain over a longer period of time.

So I think we will keep seeing these type of short term super motor bursts implemented in one way or another. But clearly, people don’t seem to like the way Ford implemented their EV motor ‘overdrive’.

Yes, this is understood. I just think that the Mach-E, for all it's promise, does a bad job at performance above 70 mph. Regardless of trim. My Select AWD supposedly doesn't have power limiting, but up to 70, it's quick, after that, it's not. If heard it's worse with the GTPE. I'm interested in the fact the Blazer EV SS has higher torque, higher HP, but a slower 0-60 the than the MME GT, even in WOW mode. Either: car is heavier, specs of torque and HP from Chevy are lies, or the CBEVSS has better top end performance. Only time will tell.

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