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Bloomberg is reporting that Senator Manchin has agreed to expanding eligibility for the EV tax credit to manufacturers that have had it expire, i.e., Tesla and GM.

Notably, this would mean the 2023 Mach-E would also get some form of the tax credit, but I think made in America EVs would get more.

The details are to be worked out apparently, here is the full article:


Senate Deal Includes EV Tax Credits Sought by Tesla, Toyota
  • EV backers argue credits are crucial to spur faster deployment
  • Extension win for capped-out companies like GM, Tesla, Toyota
Ford Mustang Mach-E Senate Bill Deal to Expand EV Tax Credits (7/27/2022) 1200x-1

The charging port of a Chevrolet Bolt electric utility vehicle.
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Keith Laing and
Ari Natter
July 27, 2022 at 4:47 PM PDT


A breakthrough deal between Senators Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin includes the extension of a popular consumer tax credit for the purchase of electric vehicles, according to people familiar with the matter, a big win for EV-makers like General Motors Co., Tesla Inc. and Toyota Motor Co.

The credit will be included in a broader legislative package that revives key portions of President Joe Biden’s domestic political agenda and contains about $369 billion on climate and energy spending.

Read more: What’s in the Manchin-Schumer Deal on Taxes, Climate and Energy
EV supporters have argued the tax credits are necessary to spur development of the nascent plug-in car market, which is seen as crucial toward reducing the use of fossil fuels and achieving Biden’s ambitious climate goals. If passed, the package would help replenish existing tax credits that have already been exhausted for some automakers.

The two Senators have staked out starkly different positions on the viability of electric cars. Schumer has called for all cars that are manufactured in America to be electric by 2030, while Manchin has calling the idea of the federal government subsidizing EVs “ludicrous.”

Key details remain to be seen. In recent months, Manchin had been seeking stricter limits on the cost of eligible vehicles and for stricter limits on the income of those allowed to take advantage of the credit.

A prior Biden administration proposal allowed unionized carmakers to offer an additional $4,500 to EV car buyers, but the provision was opposed by Manchin after facing strong blowback from companies such Tesla and Toyota, who argued it would have given an unfair advantage to their Detroit-based rivals.

Carmakers sold a record 652,000 electric vehicles last year, but they made up only 4.4% of new car sales, according to an analysis by BloombergNEF. The percentage doubled from slightly over 2% in 2020. SUVs and pickup trucks comprised about 70% of total 2021 sales, according to Kelley Blue Book, showing the industry still has a long way to go before it comes close to achieving widespread adoption of EVs.
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If the tax credits are so critical to EV adoption, why is it that every single EV built gets sold right away or they are all on back order? That includes all the Tesla and GM EVs. The problem is not a lack of customers, it is a lack of capacity to build them.
 
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If the tax credits are so critical to EV adoption, why is it that every single EV built gets sold right away or they are all on back order? That includes all the Tesla and GM EVs. The problem is not a lack of customers, it is a lack of capacity to build them.
I couldn't agree more, seems like a big waste of taxpayer money, but easy for me to say having already received a tax credit for the Mach-E.

That being said, it is unfortunate that this news broke before ordering opened up for the 2023 Mach-E. Ford will now likely price the 2023 Mach-E higher than they otherwise would have knowing some form of the tax credit is likely to continue indefinitely.
 
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Welp. Now we’ll definitely be following through with our Blazer SS reservation.
GM will absolutely factor in the tax credit with the Blazer SS's final pricing, I don't think the net cost will change much for buyers.

I think the real $$ to be made here is potentially seeing if people can make Chevy Bolt EUV special orders for delivery in several months under current pricing, because it seems very likely the recent price cuts will be reversed by GM in the very near future on this news.
 


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GM will absolutely factor in the tax credit with the Blazer SS's final pricing, I don't think the net cost will change much for buyers.

I think the real $$ to be made here is potentially seeing if people can make Chevy Bolt EUV special orders for delivery in several months under current pricing, because it seems very likely the recent price cuts will be reversed by GM in the very near future on this news.
Perhaps. But I bet it doesn’t go up $7500 since the $65K cat is already out of the bag.
 
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the 7500 tax credit was a significant part on my decision to purchase a mach e. If it wasn't there I probably would have gone in another direction.
True early adopters don't need much of an incentive. they just like getting into the leading (bleeding) edge. For a new idea to take hold or pass the tipping point there needs to be about a 5% adoption from the public. EVs are almost there.
The tax code has been used continuously to try and influence our behavior.
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In recent months, Manchin had been seeking stricter limits on the cost of eligible vehicles and for stricter limits on the income of those allowed to take advantage of the credit.
This is how the rebates should be done, if they are going to be done at all. Target an affordable car for the masses and not subsidize a toy for somebody that can afford it.
 

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I doubt they would do it, but it would be funny if they lowered the amount and then made it retroactive to this tax year, screwing over the flippers.
 

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Welp... back to wondering how the Mach E will be considered under this bill. Here's to hoping it's not retroactive and I don't end up missing out on my car bought February of this year.

edit: seems the bill isn't retroactive at least. From the bill's text, bottom of page 385 to top of 386. Note I am not a lawyer and might be speaking out of my ass right now.

(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in para25 graphs (2), (3), (4), and (5), the amendments made 386 ERN22335 9K1 S.L.C. 1 by this section shall apply to vehicles placed in serv2 ice after December 31, 2022.
 
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Welp... back to wondering how the Mach E will be considered under this bill. Here's to hoping it's not retroactive and I don't end up missing out on my car bought February of this year.
True, but it hasn’t passed yet.
 

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True, but it hasn’t passed yet.
True. I'm a bit confused to about something too and hoping someone can clear this up for me. having Manchin approve of this is being made out to be a big deal. And it is. But is this being passed through reconciliation or will they still need Republicans to get on board for it to beat a filibuster?
 

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Welp... back to wondering how the Mach E will be considered under this bill. Here's to hoping it's not retroactive and I don't end up missing out on my car bought February of this year.
It‘s not retroactive. It’s for vehicles placed in service starting January 1, 2023.
 

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True. I'm a bit confused to about something too and hoping someone can clear this up for me. having Manchin approve of this is being made out to be a big deal. And it is. But is this being passed through reconciliation or will they still need Republicans to get on board for it to beat a filibuster?
It will be reconciliation, so only requires simple majority.
 

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