Electricity Costs Analysis for 2022 Mach-E GT

[DF33]

Hello, Where on the ford pass app can you caluculate the total number of kwh used in a certain time frame. I see you had said you had used 1032. The only way I can see it is by adding up each trip under my ev driving. Also is there a way to calculate the amount of kwh's used to charge the car by the percentage added in the charging timeframe? I use the ford unit that came with the vehicle. Thank you for any help, Paul

The ford app, when your session is complete, shows you how many kWh you added. The information is available only for that session as far as I can find. It doesn't show in the the charge log how many kWh it has added, just the percentage, which is odd. So what I usually just record it into my spreadsheet and that is how they did the calculation. I guess you could do it by percentage and get a rough estimate by multiplying the percentage times your stated battery capacity. I think my GT is now up to 91 kWh.

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[pauljphoto]

Ok so i have to take note of the kwh after the charge. Cant go back and see it. You are using the ford unit the mach e came with or a different unit like charge point?

 

[DF33]

Ok so i have to take note of the kwh after the charge. Cant go back and see it. You are using the ford unit the mach e came with or a different unit like charge point?

ChargePoint, the ChargePoint app shows you kWh, but I think that shows the kWh sent to the car, not the hour received by the battery. But not 100 percent sure; perhaps someone else knows.

 

[Jppumper]

We charge our car during off peak hours through Duke Energy, and we pay about $5 each time we charge our car.

 

[pauljphoto]

By leaving the ford charging unit plugged in and the little blue light is on does not use any electric correct? Only when you plug into car correct?

 

[Bobbyg813]

Possible it's loss due to HVAC, seat heaters, lights, accessories, phantom drain, etc.

 

[River Rat]

By leaving the ford charging unit plugged in and the little blue light is on does not use any electric correct? Only when you plug into car correct?

If the light is on its using power

 

[pauljphoto]

Holy smokes. That might explain a lot.

 

[Fixbear]

To a point, but excess generation is less fuel and wear/tear on the generation hardware and transmission lines. When you generate solar energy back to "the grid", it only goes as far as the transformer for your area and is distributed to other homes on that transformer. So not only are individual solar users requiring less peak generation energy in terms of fuel and generator wear and tear, but the oversupply doesn't have to go through a lot of hardware to get to the home compared to power generated by the electric company.

The benefits of individual solar are even more emphasized by less need for peaking power plants, which are the least efficient and highest polluting plant type. They exist only to handle peak power requirements for a few hours a day. Those hours also happens to fall in line with the best solar production times of the day. In parts of California where they have been experimenting with micro grid systems where solar/batteries cover peak power periods, there is less need for the expensive and polluting peaking power plants and a more stable overall grid.

So it's hardly as simple as saying solar users defect and others have to keep the fixed costs paid because the costs aren't fixed. Unless someone is islanding their system, which is a small, small percent of solar users who are usually grid tied, we don't have to rely on peaking plants for those periods.

That isn't even getting into the hidden costs of most grid energy production like CO2 emissions which cost us all significantly.

Not saying there is no negative impact if, say, 1/3rd of all users went solar. But to indicate that those going solar are leaving anyone holding the bag isn't the whole story. If anything it can be a benefit if the solar back feed can prevent use of the peaker plants. Those are a big part of why peak time electricity costs are higher.

We in my aera have a unique solution to this. They built a pump storage facility on the Schoharie Creek just for the peak demand of NYC. They built a holding pond on top of a mountain with a tunnel from the hydro plant. At night they reverse the turbines and pump water up. During high demand they use the water to make power. Owned by NYS power authority. Also has a visitors center and state park.

 

[DC Pony]

Adding a meter for just your EV is a great educational exercise. I would contend that it's an expensive educational exercise. Most utilities charge an availability and meter charge for every "service" ie. meter. The additional cost of that extra meter will be almost as much as the added kwh usage by your home with the addition of an EV driving the normal 12-15K annually. For the most bang for your buck you should leave the circuit on the home and utilize off peak rates that your utility probably offers using the charging settings on your MME or a smart charger installation.

 

[Valkyrie]

Still amazes me that in Hawaii with electricity costs at $0.45 per kwh that we have sooo many Tesla's and a few other EV's crawling around the roadways. Many of these people are paying top rates for charging and not everyone has large arrays of solar panels to make up the difference.

 

[pauljphoto]

So Df33 you had told me after charging I can see the actual kwh's used in that charging session. Are you using the Ford charge station Pro or are you using the standard ford charger that comes with the car? Cause I still do not see the kilowatt information.

Thank you Paul

ChargePoint, the ChargePoint app shows you kWh, but I think that shows the kWh sent to the car, not the hour received by the battery. But not 100 percent sure; perhaps someone else knows.

 

[DF33]

So Df33 you had told me after charging I can see the actual kwh's used in that charging session. Are you using the Ford charge station Pro or are you using the standard ford charger that comes with the car? Cause I still do not see the kilowatt information.

Thank you Paul

Paul.

I have a ChargePoint charger, and I use the Fordpass App. I let the Ford App control the charger. I have set it up to begin charging at 2 am and turn off at 7 am. After I am done charging the main page of the Ford app has a button that takes you to a page that has the info in the screenshot I posted a couple of posts back.

 

[21st Century Pony]

This is a fascinating thread... it shows that adoption of personal EVs is really influenced by the adaptability (or lack of same) shown by the many many local utility companies and their state or lower-level public regulating cmmissions.

Here in Virginia, the dominant electric utility Dominion Power and a former governor who grabbed some Federal "shovel-ready" $$$ back in 2010, started a pilot program which continues to this day (and hopefully forever). The governor paid for a 2d residential electric meter, the utility inspected and verified that the customer's line from the 2d electric meter went directly to, and only to the EV supply equipment, and as a result we residential participants have a TOU-only-for-EVSE apability in addition to regular house electric meter capability, on one bill.

Attached is the Dominion Power TOU reference graphic on my wall, and my electric bill from August showing the house use, and separately the yellow-highlighted EV use, in kWh.

I think this residential EV-only TOU pilot is a great program. At installation, I only paid for the installation of the line from the 2d meter to the EVSE. Luckily, I insisted on 6-gauge wires even though at the time, common use was 12-gauge wires as the original early EVSE was only capable of 20 amps. The attached bill shows my use of a Grizzl-E basic 40-amp EVSE.

 

[DF33]

This is a fascinating thread... it shows that adoption of personal EVs is really influenced by the adaptability (or lack of same) shown by the many many local utility companies and their state or lower-level public regulating cmmissions.

Here in Virginia, the dominant electric utility Dominion Power and a former governor who grabbed some Federal "shovel-ready" $$$ back in 2010, started a pilot program which continues to this day (and hopefully forever). The governor paid for a 2d residential electric meter, the utility inspected and verified that the customer's line from the 2d electric meter went directly to, and only to the EV supply equipment, and as a result we residential participants have a TOU-only-for-EVSE apability in addition to regular house electric meter capability, on one bill.

Attached is the Dominion Power TOU reference graphic on my wall, and my electric bill from August showing the house use, and separately the yellow-highlighted EV use, in kWh.

I think this residential EV-only TOU pilot is a great program. At installation, I only paid for the installation of the line from the 2d meter to the EVSE. Luckily, I insisted on 6-gauge wires even though at the time, common use was 12-gauge wires as the original early EVSE was only capable of 20 amps. The attached bill shows my use of a Grizzl-E basic 40-amp EVSE.

I feel like one of the side benefits of owning an electric car, is that I have become much more aware of how my car works, and I pay much more attention to the efficiency of the vehicle, how much energy it uses, what causes it to use more or less energy, etc. The other day, it was really cold, and I was doing like 80, and my battery was dropping percentage was dropping like a stone. With my ICE cars in the past, never thought for a second about efficiency.