Mileage for Extended Range Mach-E Models Revealed in EPA Emissions Certifications

[ChasingCoral]

100%, but if he's a participant it's less objectionable than just skimming forums for content.

Either way, he's on the ball to have a story this fast!

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[texaninmi]

All vehicles have emissions certification posted by EPA, even zero emissions vehicles.
Today I finally found the Mach-E certificate summary information (CSI) posted (see links below).

There are two Mach-E vehicles posted; AWD ER and RWD ER.

This data is the unadjusted City/UDDS and Highway/HWFET range
derived from a single test, the SAE J1634 Multi-Cycle Test (MCT).

The data does not look to too promising.

1. All-Wheel Drive Extended Range Mach-E

• https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/
  https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=51317&flag=1
• For AWD ER, UDDS unadjusted range = 371.5 miles, Hwy = 338.9 miles
• The unadjusted combined range is then 0.55*371.5 + 0.45*338.9 = 356.8 miles
• The adjusted, label range is expected to be 0.7 * 356.8 = 249.8 miles = 250 miles (rounded).
• So not 270 miles as expected.

2. Rear-Wheel Drive Extended Range Mach-E

• https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=51318&flag=1
• UDDS range = 434.9 mi, Hwy = 382.9 mi, so Unadjusted combined range = 411.5 mi
  and adjusted label = 288 mi

The certificate also has the road load and test mass information;

The Mach-E is not too svelte at 14.9 road load hp (at 50 mph).

All vehicles have emissions certification posted by EPA, even zero emissions vehicles.
Today I finally found the Mach-E certificate summary information (CSI) posted (see links below).

There are two Mach-E vehicles posted; AWD ER and RWD ER.

This data is the unadjusted City/UDDS and Highway/HWFET range
derived from a single test, the SAE J1634 Multi-Cycle Test (MCT).

The data does not look to too promising.

1. All-Wheel Drive Extended Range Mach-E

• https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/
  https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=51317&flag=1
• For AWD ER, UDDS unadjusted range = 371.5 miles, Hwy = 338.9 miles
• The unadjusted combined range is then 0.55*371.5 + 0.45*338.9 = 356.8 miles
• The adjusted, label range is expected to be 0.7 * 356.8 = 249.8 miles = 250 miles (rounded).
• So not 270 miles as expected.

2. Rear-Wheel Drive Extended Range Mach-E

• https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=51318&flag=1
• UDDS range = 434.9 mi, Hwy = 382.9 mi, so Unadjusted combined range = 411.5 mi
  and adjusted label = 288 mi

The certificate also has the road load and test mass information;

The Mach-E is not too svelte at 14.9 road load hp (at 50 mph).

Hi Everyone. I work at Ford on the launch of Mustang Mach-E. We fully expect EPA-certified driving range estimates for the Mustang Mach-E will deliver the targets we have set. We will have more to share later this month.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Some encouraging news just posted in response to these EPA range discussions from Mike Levine:

" Ford fully expects EPA-certified driving range estimates for the Mustang Mach-E will deliver the targets set. More to share later this month."

So the bad news is the early tests were lower than they hoped and they are playing catch-up. The good news is these are the early results and we can expect better.

 

[RyZt]

Either way, he's on the ball to have a story this fast!

Yes, I appreciate whoever wrote that news article because that solicited an official-ish Ford response.

And of course, kudos to OP.

 

[agoldman]

Well at least we have hope again.

 

[Wildthing]

Hi Everyone. I work at Ford on the launch of Mustang Mach-E. We fully expect EPA-certified driving range estimates for the Mustang Mach-E will deliver the targets we have set. We will have more to share later this month.

Is Ford in damage control mode? You joined the group this morning and this is your first post. Can we double check your position at Ford? Linkedin,Twiiter, etc.?

 

[sockmeister]

Hi Everyone. I work at Ford on the launch of Mustang Mach-E. We fully expect EPA-certified driving range estimates for the Mustang Mach-E will deliver the targets we have set. We will have more to share later this month.

If you're telling the truth, then it's good to know that Ford has an eye on these forums. Thanks.

 

[JamieGeek]

My 2018 Bolt has a 66 kWHr battery but when I charge it to full capacity it only shows that it is at 88% from the Chevy Bolt app. So the 12% buffer amounts to nearly 8 kWHr.

Yes that is 12% buffer.

My normal procedure is to drive it until <40 mi range and then do a full charge overnight. Each and every time I do a full charge it show 87 - 88% full when completed.

Um 2018 Bolt's battery is only 60kWh, NOT 66kWh.

Chevy didn't increase the Bolt's battery to 66kWh until the 2020 model year.

 

[MightyJawa]

it’s ok if a bunch of people want to cancel their orders. I’m pretty far back in the queue and wouldn’t mind jumping up a few slots. ?

 

[FPLiptak]

Um 2018 Bolt's battery is only 60kWh, NOT 66kWh.

Chevy didn't increase the Bolt's battery to 66kWh until the 2020 model year.

I stand corrected on the 2018 Bolt's capacity. As such the 12% reserve is 7 kWHr not 8 kWHr.

Even so, I do get ~ 230 - 240 miles per charge.

 

[Nadolwi]

I have a 2103 C-Max and the MPG never met the published numbers so Ford ended up giving the 2013 buyers two additional rebates to make up for it. Right now I am concerned about spending $56,000 and not getting what I expect. There are so many EV's coming out and battery technology advances, I might wait before buying a EV.

 

[BazF]

So what are they doing different to get that rating?

Tesla pay for a more complex and extensive rating regime that make them appear slightly better in EPA ratings.
As far as I understand - some clever construction motors with permenent magnet arrays - and their power control electronics are the best in business in terms of efficiency. Probbaly quite a few years ahead and typically 10-20% better than competitiion. It's a pity that Ford - along with Audi, Volvo don't appear to have made much impact in catching up.
The Koreans - in terms of Kia, Hyundai - are similar or as good as Tesla in terms of efficiency - so they are not unbeatable.

 

[kdryden99]

The good news is Ford is monitoring our forum and gives us enough recognition to warrant a response. I am sure many of our concerns are therefore being followed.

 

[SashaLondon]

Anyway since the first test I bet they have made more improvements. That first test would have been a prebuild car? Since then they have had more testing that is why Im sure they are confident of good results.

 

[kdryden99]

Anyway since the first test I bet they have made more improvements. That first test would have been a prebuild car? Since then they have had more testing that is why Im sure they are confident of good results.

It might be why official epa results are delayed.

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