Mileage for Extended Range Mach-E Models Revealed in EPA Emissions Certifications

[timbop]

it's whatever this scary-ass mofo says it is

yeah, that is the creepiest mascot ever.

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[JDRGolfer1]

This thread is officially dead.

 

[TheLight75]

I have no doubt the range "targets" will be met. However, the EPA range may not be indicative of actual range. For example, the Tesla S has much more -- like a whole lot more -- EPA range than the Porsche, but when tested on a track the ranges were more or less identical. IIRC your Kona punches above its weight in real world range. If Ford doesn't have the same downside as the Teslas you should be fine. But you won't know from the EPA number alone.

The battery size has nothing to do with how much electricity you'll need. Just doesn't matter other than by playing a role in per mile efficiency by adding mass. The only factor which affects your electricity costs is miles/kWh.

The other point is that the MME should provide a much more comfortable commute. Not only does the MME have a very long wheelbase, but adaptive cruise and hands-free cruise should allow you to get to work and home much less stressed.

I’m in no rush so I’ll wait until the final EPA range estimates are released and a couple production MME’s have been thoroughly reviewed.

On my point about spending more money to charge a bigger battery, what I was trying to say is if the MME is rated for more or less the same avg miles per full battery as my Kona, then I’m spending more to fully charge an 88 kWh MME battery rather than the 64 kWh Kona (37% more). Is it worth the extra charge cost for the comfort, handling and other tech? Probably. While my Kona has no sex appeal, it is very comfortable, has stop & go adaptive cruise, emergency braking, blind spot alerting, and lane keep assist. I don’t need to move away from it, but if the MME offers enough incentive to me, then I’ll gladly part with it. ?

 

[TheLight75]

Eh... Some well-traveled areas have very poor charger coverage. Namely, the route from Boston to Montreal. I drove to Montreal & back for New Year’s and charging was a challenge. Most of the charging stops were small 50 kW chargers with just 1-2 stalls (at Whole Foods). At one critical stop where we needed a solid charge to make it to the next charger, I had to wait 45 mins for another car to charge up before I could start my own 55-minute charging session. The GF was not impressed with that one. ?

After the fact, I checked charging times for the same trip for a Tesla M3 using ABRP and that trip would have taken 4 hours less because of the SC network and higher charge rates.

 

[JellyBelly]

oh my god two more pages since I wrote this

But atleast those two pages are not related to EPA range but more interesting trivia topic

 

[macchiaz-o]

I guess his name is really Otto Pilot

Shirley Tesla could squeeze this into their skinflint marketing budget.

 

[Marcel]

On a more real world note, for ICE cars you can find people reporting fuel-ups and actual mileage on fuelly.com

Is there a similar site for community-driven fuel-ups (power-ups? Recharges?) and actual mileage?

Fwiw, I prefer kWh/100km. It's easier to compare efficiency with ICE cars (L/100km).

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/1008662.html

 

[ChasingCoral]

Eh... Some well-traveled areas have very poor charger coverage. Namely, the route from Boston to Montreal. I drove to Montreal & back for New Year’s and charging was a challenge. Most of the charging stops were small 50 kW chargers with just 1-2 stalls (at Whole Foods). At one critical stop where we needed a solid charge to make it to the next charger, I had to wait 45 mins for another car to charge up before I could start my own 55-minute charging session. The GF was not impressed with that one. ?

After the fact, I checked charging times for the same trip for a Tesla M3 using ABRP and that trip would have taken 4 hours less because of the SC network and higher charge rates.

Has the Electrify America expansion helped out that route?

 

[Shayne]

The problem actually is american cars use SAE and Asian cars use metric. And then their is the metric sizes that match up with the SAE i.e. 13/16=21mm. I have both so im ready to work on this MachE after i get rid of my Rogue.
P.S. off topic but why the bloody hell does Europe use torx for everything, who the heck has torx sockets.

We have opened our doors to both and hence all those wrenches and now they throw in torx to go along with all those alien keys . Not the greatest for those that love work; not tools.

We are OT but we are now in a holding pattern as it appears the Gov site is in error or these are early/prelim posted results? I see the only transparent way to compare is to use the city and highway and use 0.7 as done in the OP. EPA is not real life it is strictly a comparison tool. A yardstick (meterstick?). 2 cycles for dummies.

 

[Wildthing]

all I can say is don't start overacting right now. Everything is fine. The amount held back in the battery pack is more than any other EV on the market.

The range will be met.

I don't like that answer. The expected range is with 68 and 88 kWh battery. Unlocking 5 kWh to meet target is not a solution, it would still means that the car is very inneficient. Ford must rush the final numbers ASAP to calm down everybody.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I don't like that answer. The expected range is with 68 and 88 kWh battery. Unlocking 5 kWh to meet target is not a solution, it would still means that the car is very inneficient. Ford must rush the final numbers ASAP to calm down everybody.

I think we've known for quite a while this was not going to be the most efficient car out there. Neither is the ICE Mustang.

 

[1pt21Gigawatts]

Hope so before OKTB. Was already counting on a likely OTA improvement later on top of the 300, like Tesla, getting us to ~320.

~320 after OTA is looking unlikely now though.

Regardless of anything else, I’m having a hard time understanding how a recertification with the EPA is going to change anything here.

what is clearly demonstrated here is that, with not too much going wrong, the car is capable of getting 250mi on an extended pack. Which corresponds at very best to real world, if not worse because it’s still 48mph.

By all accounts if we had nothing to worry about then it shouldn’t have been possible for the car to do this poorly on the test. I don’t want a glitzy number polished to a sheen to squeeze 275 when realistically we can just expect 250 and the improvements now are just working on optimizing for the test.

I guess at this point I hope the real world journalist reviews and range test from Alex on Autos come out before December because otherwise I’m not going to be comfortable based on this. 260mi highway @70mph of bust in my book, anything else is a resale value of nil

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