2023 Mach-E priced over $55K & delivered in 2023 will not qualify for tax credit! Latest IRS ruling says Mach-E is a CAR - not SUV !

[jecjackal]

I think i fucked myself by getting rapid red and floor mats. The floor mats should be easy enough to work through. Can ask the dealer to make that a separate transaction. But the paint is an option and puts my RWD Premium over 55k

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[Mach1E]

It’s actually trying to encourage lower priced BEV vehicles which have largely been too expensive for the average American.

Yes, some people are now excluded , but on the whole the intent is good and will hopefully help drive overall EV adoption.

BEVs need to be cheaper for widespread adoption and in turn more chargers publicly available, etc.

It’s all cyclical.

“Trying to” but failing miserably.

Then again, this has already been proven by Tesla this tax credits DO NOT equal cheaper prices for the consumers.

Bill to reinstate credits looks like it’s going through, Tesla instantly raised prices $7500

Credit not in effect for Tesla this month? Tesla lowers prices exactly $7500.

Not a coincidence. The credits did nothing to lower the price to the consumer, it just lined the pockets of one of the richest man on the planet.

I agree they need to be cheaper to encourage adoption. But this isn’t the way to achieve that.

 

[Mach1E]

I think i fucked myself by getting rapid red and floor mats. The floor mats should be easy enough to work through. Can ask the dealer to make that a separate transaction. But the paint is an option and puts my RWD Premium over 55k

Cancel and re-order May be worth $7500 to you (or $3750 depending on the next IRS surprise).

 

[RickMachE]

I think i &&&^& myself by getting rapid red and floor mats. The floor mats should be easy enough to work through. Can ask the dealer to make that a separate transaction. But the paint is an option and puts my RWD Premium over 55k

No reason for profanity. Both the paint and mats are factory options. If the mats are already locked into the order, you couldn't remove them anyway.

 

[generaltso]

I think i fucked myself by getting rapid red and floor mats. The floor mats should be easy enough to work through. Can ask the dealer to make that a separate transaction. But the paint is an option and puts my RWD Premium over 55k

They can’t make it a separate transaction if it’s already on the window sticker.

 

[Scooby24]

1) No X Plan anymore - another incentive. Do other EVs have x-plan.

X-plan has always been a ford specific option. Its loss is only relevant in the space of understanding it's not longer an available incentive.

2) Features removed- park and hands free liftgate? Not think most seem bothered by. What other EVs have this feature.

Pretty much all of them at this price point.

3) Finance Rates have jumped-rates jumped not matter what car you by ev or ice. What's the point here. You can wait till rates come down I'm 2024 but they won't come down to last year's lows.

It cools down the market. Maybe I wasn't clear when I said these are cumulative issues that are issues compounding on the MME.

4) Price of 2023 model year 8K+ for some models. - Did you see how Tesla price increases have happened on regular basis far surpassing 8k and how affordable is mme to other comparable EVs? Kia or Hyundai I guess you can get for a little less but those don't really interest me personally.

Yup I did...when the market was hot. The market isn't hot now and Tesla is countering with incentives and price reductions. Ford is going the other direction. You don't see a problem here?

You have a '22. What interests you doesn't matter...you already have your car. Are you saying you'd be cool paying 15k more than you paid for your car right now?

5) Tax Credit Gone- tax credit is the same across the board so if its a problem with mme then it will likely be an issue on any other vehicle.

You understand we're here because the MME got classified as a car versus SUV. We aren't talking about any other vehicle. We're talking about how the MME got hosed. Many Other EV SUVs that are competing with the MME won't have this problem. The 5 seater Model Y seems like an exception but its current pricing is going the other direction.

6) Telsa is back on the list to get tax credits for some models.- Their prices are going down and Fords are going up. Then by a Tesla and prep for build quality issues and nightmare service while watching Musk tank their value which has taken a huge hit along with their stock.

I have my car. You're looking at this through a personal lens. Look at it through the lens of prospective buyers. Go look at your local dealer's inventory of MY 2023 MMEs on the lot and pay attention to how that inventory stock changes over the next coming months.

edit: Oh I saw you just posted this. https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/lots-of-2023s-available.24706/#post-573195

you uh...aren't seeing the issue here?

7) Resale is tanking- compared to what? When outside of the last few years has resale not tanked once you drive off the lot for any vehicle. That's why many have done Ford options plan so they can walk away if value is below the current market price. Who else has this option?

Well compared to pretty much every other car on the market that's not taking a 8k+ increase for MY 23?

 

[DaveP]

Cars have always been a volume business. This severely hurts the mach-e ability to compete. It’s already facing an uphill battle against competitors performance wise. Would you buy your mach-e for 16k more than you paid for? Probably not

Depends what one can afford, if there set on electric or don't care. You can't buy a car these days for under 50k and for all the over 100k cars I see on the road I think people will pay for what they like. I'd rather a Rivian but that takes me 80-95k so I stayed with my mme. Tesla I wouldn't touch, audi, bmw and polestar are priced too high so back to Kia and Hyundai as options. Performance is amazing on any ev so comparing makes no sense for me at least. I'm not 21 thinking I'm in the Monaco grand prix at every light.
All cars are more expensive than they were a few years ago
Every single one. That will always be the case. Some won't buy now and will pay more down the road. I jumped on it early this year because I knew the tax credits would be limited as we saw with Tesla and I knew with the popularity of EVs that pricing would likely increase. It worked out for me and I did Ford options plan because I know the batter tech with change dramatically in the coming years and will turn my car in minus the 22k balloon payment and get something new. If one thinks that in 1, 2 or more years they will have better options at better prices then it's their prerogative to wait. If I were a betting person I wouldnt take that bet. The mme will just improve, software get sorted out, updates given. Ford has too much invested in blue oval for them not to. I'm shocked being so new to them it has gone as smooth as it has to be honest. They have done a great job thus far and will stay relavent in ev market

 

[Scooby24]

Depends what one can afford, if there set on electric or don't care. You can't buy a car these days for under 50k and for all the over 100k cars I see on the road I think people will pay for what they like. I'd rather a Rivian but that takes me 80-95k so I stayed with my mme. Tesla I wouldn't touch, audi, bmw and polestar are priced too high so back to Kia and Hyundai as options. Performance is amazing on any ev so comparing makes no sense for me at least. I'm not 21 thinking I'm in the Monaco grand prix at every light.
All cars are more expensive than they were a few years ago
Every single one. That will always be the case. Some won't buy now and will pay more down the road. I jumped on it early this year because I knew the tax credits would be limited as we saw with Tesla and I knew with the popularity of EVs that pricing would likely increase. It worked out for me and I did Ford options plan because I know the batter tech with change dramatically in the coming years and will turn my car in minus the 22k balloon payment and get something new. If one thinks that in 1, 2 or more years they will have better options at better prices then it's their prerogative to wait. If I were a betting person I wouldnt take that bet. The mme will just improve, software get sorted out, updates given. Ford has too much invested in blue oval for them not to. I'm shocked being so new to them it has gone as smooth as it has to be honest. They have done a great job thus far and will stay relavent in ev market

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BOLT EUV

 

[Nklem]

BOLT EV
BOLT EUV

It would be hilarious to see the Bolt EUV classified as an SUV……

 

[dbsb3233]

Why would they kill higher trim. Are all EVs going to kill trims above certain price point? The incentive is an incentive that's temporary. It allowed people that couldn't afford it to afford it for a specified period of time. Not forever, that why there is the Bolt. Had their never been a tax credit there would not be any of this talk or anger. I get people are bummed they don't get it or missed it but to get angry is a bit odd don't you think.

Tax credits like this to promote development should be temporary. Like the original one that ended after 200k units from each manufacturer. Which made sense to encourage manufacturers to start developing EV models. Then the expectation was that it would build it's own momentum (which it did), and the natural market would take over from there if they proved viable.

Unfortunately this new bill destroyed that. It's now a permanent credit (well, 10 full years, but that's effectively permanent for this purpose). It's no longer an initial boost to get manufacturers onboard, it's an ongoing subsidy that will be factored into the cost structure now for another decade. Which means manufacturers will be manipulating their offerings to fit within the limits as much as they can. After the dust settles, we'll see a lot of manipulating of features to fit into a $54,999 price point (for cars, $79,999 for SUVs/trucks). And then probably a gap for the more fully-loaded cars at $65k+ that won't qualify.

It's government micromanagement at it's worst. But as was once famously said...

“The government you elect is the government you deserve.” -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[Scooby24]

It would be hilarious to see the Bolt EUV classified as an SUV……

RIght? Not that it would matter given their price point but if the clown car qualified talk about irony.

Guessing that won't be the case though as it looks like with the ID.4 they made AWD count as SUV but the others aren't.

Really bizarre classification standards they've got over there.

 

[DennisD]

I think i fucked myself by getting rapid red and floor mats. The floor mats should be easy enough to work through. Can ask the dealer to make that a separate transaction. But the paint is an option and puts my RWD Premium over 55k

I am not trying to be funny, but that literally put you into the Red "Rapidly", I might add. (so I was trying to be funny with the Rapidly part, sorry about that)

It is such a stupid arbitrary way of doing things. I don't mean to make light of it but if you don't laugh, one will find themselves crying.

I think for at least this year, the "limits" should be lifted until clear direction is given and understood by all of those that ordered and are waiting on cars. I am sure there are hundreds of people that would have chosen differently had it been more spelled out from the get go.

This totally sucks. I feel for you.

 

[DaveP]

X-plan has always been a ford specific option. Its loss is only relevant in the space of understanding it's not longer an available incentive.



Pretty much all of them at this price point.



It cools down the market. Maybe I wasn't clear when I said these are cumulative issues that are issues compounding on the MME.



Yup I did...when the market was hot. The market isn't hot now and Tesla is countering with incentives and price reductions. Ford is going the other direction. You don't see a problem here?

You have a '22. What interests you doesn't matter...you already have your car. Are you saying you'd be cool paying 15k more than you paid for your car right now?



You understand we're here because the MME got classified as a car versus SUV. We aren't talking about any other vehicle. We're talking about how the MME got hosed. Many Other EV SUVs that are competing with the MME won't have this problem. The 5 seater Model Y seems like an exception but its current pricing is going the other direction.



I have my car. You're looking at this through a personal lens. Look at it through the lens of prospective buyers. Go look at your local dealer's inventory of MY 2023 MMEs on the lot and pay attention to how that inventory stock changes over the next coming months.

edit: Oh I saw you just posted this. https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/lots-of-2023s-available.24706/#post-573195

you uh...aren't seeing the issue here?



Well compared to pretty much every other car on the market that's not taking a 8k+ increase for MY 23?

supply and demand will dictate pricing so if demand drops so will pricing for any manufacturer out there. As the economy cools that will be something to watch. As others have said on this forum ford will do what they need to ensure the vehicle is classified as SUV. Will have to see how that plays out.
The cost of any given car will change year to year like most things we purchase. Comparing to what someone bought something for in the past doesn't do one much good. You look at your options, determine what you like and what you can afford and make a decision at that time. People who were buying houses in 2021 didn't say I'm not buying a house because people got houses for less in 2020. For most a car is a necessity so you are kind of at the mercy of the market at any given time. I just don't understand the anger here when there are a slew of options out there so find the better option and go that route. I think part of it is they want the MME and don't want anything else.

 

[Scooby24]

supply and demand will dictate pricing so if demand drops so will pricing for any manufacturer out there. As the economy cools that will be something to watch. As others have said on this forum ford will do what they need to ensure the vehicle is classified as SUV. Will have to see how that plays out.
The cost of any given car will change year to year like most things we purchase. Comparing to what someone bought something for in the past doesn't do one much good. You look at your options, determine what you like and what you can afford and make a decision at that time. People who were buying houses in 2021 didn't say I'm not buying a house because people got houses for less in 2020. For most a car is a necessity so you are kind of at the mercy of the market at any given time. I just don't understand the anger here when there are a slew of options out there so find the better option and go that route. I think part of it is they want the MME and don't want anything else.

Look, I'm just postulating what I think it's going to happen given the culmination of factors that would certainly discourage me, and based on what we're seeing on the dealership front, the '23s are starting to pile up and I think I know why.

Maybe I'm wrong. You seem to think so. We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. Kapeesh?

 

[dbsb3233]

I think i fucked myself by getting rapid red and floor mats. The floor mats should be easy enough to work through. Can ask the dealer to make that a separate transaction. But the paint is an option and puts my RWD Premium over 55k

Better yet, take the floor mats off completely, and wait for your FordPass points to show up from the car purchase. Then go in and purchase the floor mats from the Parts Dept and pay with your points. That's what I did.

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