Surprising BEV Future Purchase Survey Result!

[Logal727]

Of course on this forum, you're gonna have people who say it has to be rigged.

We literally have no context about this survey or the question, like I said, I've never seen a legitimate survey give results at the end. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical as there's a certain side that is basically Group 3 all of the time.

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[DevSecOps]

We literally have no context about this survey or the question, like I said, I've never seen a legitimate survey give results at the end. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical as there's a certain side that is basically Group 3 all of the time.

I'm not trying to call you out specifically, but I would say that most people on this forum, especially based on some of occupations listed, scream "I'm in group 1". They are on the defensive side of EV ownership and blinded by reality.

Here's a screen shot of the latest results. It may change as more people answer... who knows.

Edit: The groups that @Logal727 and I are talking about are from this post and are NOT the numbers in the screen shot above.

Edit 2: Removed who the poll went out to as I've been told this poll is different. So I'm not sure who it went to.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

The poll is from Ford, specifically and only to, EV owners. It's not going to anyone in group 3 as they wouldn't be EV owners.

I'm not trying to call you out specifically, but I would say that most people on this forum, especially based on some of occupations listed, scream "I'm in group 1". They are on the defensive side of EV ownership and blinded by reality.

Here's a screen shot of the latest results. It may change as more people answer... who knows.

I'm in group 5 (very likely), but not buy another Ford product.

 

[Logal727]

The poll is from Ford, specifically and only to, EV owners. It's not going to anyone in group 3 as they wouldn't be EV owners.

I'm not trying to call you out specifically, but I would say that most people on this forum, especially based on some of occupations listed, scream "I'm in group 1". They are on the defensive side of EV ownership and blinded by reality.

Here's a screen shot of the latest results. It may change as more people answer... who knows.

Thank you, this is all I needed to see. Very interesting results that it's skewed so much towards Very Unlikely, seems off, but it does seem people equate all the tech stuff with EV issues, which the MME is unique with the first with Sync 4A so it would seem to be an "EV thing"

 

[voxel]

The 46% number seems high but I can believe there is a solid population of Ford EV owners not overly happy with their experience due to - high initial cost, poor DC charging infrastructure, first gen issues (HVBJB, slow DC charging past 80%, recalls, Ford dealers not trained well and can't service EVs, etc). It's a confluence of issues.

I think if you polled 2022/2023 Chevy Bolt owners that Group 1 number is much lower. It's cheaper and a more refined product. Folks also have different expectations of the Bolt - as most won't be using it as a long-road trip car. MME was sold as a do everything EV.

 

[Logal727]

I'm in group 5, but not buy another Ford product.

this probably has something to do with it as well, the dealer experience

 

[A-A-Ron]

I don't recall seeing an actual serious survey that is used by actual companies for data give results before. The JD Power survey surely don't. I participate in a lot of those, they actually sent me a $100 gift card a couple months ago for a Plugshare survey I did (it paid for my Twraps MagSafe charger)

So my guess this survey is heavily skewed by trolls.

Yeah, there's a lot more to polling than asking a question and posting a %. First of all, if it's unincentivized, most people are unlikely to respond and those that do are often one with complaints. Second, you'd need to know plenty of demographics (not just age/gender/etc.) but also other qualifying info to pair with the results - what charging methods they use, how many miles they drive daily and driving conditions, how often they rely on DCFC, and dozens of other questions - if you've ever done one of the JD Power or similar questionaires, there's a reason they ask 100+ questions to get to the root of this.

TL;DR: polling is hard

 

[Electric Goat]

I believe this. Before I owned my Mach-E, I told everyone to consider an EV. Now I tell everyone to wait as long as possible and there's absolutely no way that I'm getting my wife an EV. She'll be sticking with ICE or hybrid. Also, I might just buy myself another ICE sports car.

I like my MME GT but it's too expensive to have so many little problems and so many (infrastructure) shortcomings.

 

[CurtW]

If I had that survey after buying my Grand Cherokee 4xe, I might have been on the fence, so I see where some buyers have not been converted. Driving the Mach-e, I realize I will probably only purchase BEV in the future. Exception being, I still need ICE truck to pull my camping trailer!!

The technology is a big change for many. I know plenty of folks that can't seem to adapt to new tech and new requirements such as charging. One conversation, I heard "What are you gonna do when your battery dies?", as though that is any different from running out of gas. Another person told me they don't trust computers to drive their car, showing the misconception that this idea is a relevant argument in the BEV conversation.

Eventually, I believe the only factor that will matter will be cost. Throw out all the other arguments, money talks loudest.

 

[Blue highway]

ah... polls.
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/05/ev-adoption-loyalty-electric-cars

As I understand the numbers, Tesla has really high customer retention (90ish %) If the Ford survey is right, it's a significant departure from earlier polls and a wake up call.

Conjecture (this is the internet after all ) is that the charge network is a bigger problem for non tesla cars than most manufacturers realize.

The software $hit show is really discouraging for people.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

you're telling me that you charged up at least 6 times (200mile/charge) at less than $10 a pop? What DCFC station are you going to? In Southern California/LA area, it cost around $30-40 for a full charge. (20-80%)

I'm not sure where you're charging, but it costs me ~$15 to charge from 20-80% on EA DCFC chargers in Arizona and CA.

Since I start my trip with 100%, I only have to DCFC charge twice to get to LA (one-way freeway distance is about 450 miles). I will sometimes charge a third time depending on the winds crossing between Needles and Barstow, but that's rare. And on the way back I again start at 100% and sometimes stay overnight in Needles at a hotel with free L2 charging so I only have to DCFC charge once on those trips. That's three or four stops, but not 20%-80% charges at each stop.

When I'm in LA I can charge at my hotel or at my work office on L1 or L2 chargers either for free or minimal cost. This only saves me a little (a single ~20% to 100% plus a bit of top-up each day/night for the week).

My first run a week or two after we bought the Mustang cost closer to $100, but I've been getting more and more practice and range anxiety just doesn't impact me anymore, so I don't have to stop and charge at every opportunity.

Sure, you can argue that I'm not DCFC charging for 1200 miles, but the cost of DCFC is still quite a lot less than the cost of gas. For DCFC, it costs me $15 for ~200 miles, or $0.07-$0.08/mile and it's quite a lot cheaper when I use other charging in conjunction with DCFC on long trips--people seem to think long trips require only DCFC, but that's simply not true.

The cost of gas for me is about $0.20-$0.30 per mile.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I'm not sure where you're charging, but it costs me ~$15 to charge from 20-80% on EA DCFC chargers in Arizona and CA.

Since I start my trip with 100%, I only have to DCFC charge twice to get to LA (one-way freeway distance is about 450 miles). I will sometimes charge a third time depending on the winds crossing between Needles and Barstow, but that's rare. And on the way back I again start at 100% and sometimes stay overnight in Needles at a hotel with free L2 charging so I only have to DCFC charge once on those trips. That's three or four stops, but not 20%-80% charges at each stop.

When I'm in LA I can charge at my hotel or at my work office on L1 or L2 chargers either for free or minimal cost. This only saves me a little (a single ~20% to 100% plus a bit of top-up each day/night for the week).

My first run a week or two after we bought the Mustang cost closer to $100, but I've been getting more and more practice and range anxiety just doesn't impact me anymore, so I don't have to stop and charge at every opportunity.

Sure, you can argue that I'm not DCFC charging for 1200 miles, but the cost of DCFC is still quite a lot less than the cost of gas. For DCFC, it costs me $15 for ~200 miles, or $0.07-$0.08/mile and it's quite a lot cheaper when I use other charging in conjunction with DCFC on long trips--people seem to think long trips require only DCFC, but that's simply not true.

The cost of gas for me is about $0.20-$0.30 per mile.

I'm not sure where you're charging, but it costs me ~$15 to charge from 20-80% on EA DCFC chargers in Arizona and CA.

Since I start my trip with 100%, I only have to DCFC charge twice to get to LA (one-way freeway distance is about 450 miles). I will sometimes charge a third time depending on the winds crossing between Needles and Barstow, but that's rare. And on the way back I again start at 100% and sometimes stay overnight in Needles at a hotel with free L2 charging so I only have to DCFC charge once on those trips. That's three or four stops, but not 20%-80% charges at each stop.

When I'm in LA I can charge at my hotel or at my work office on L1 or L2 chargers either for free or minimal cost. This only saves me a little (a single ~20% to 100% plus a bit of top-up each day/night for the week).

My first run a week or two after we bought the Mustang cost closer to $100, but I've been getting more and more practice and range anxiety just doesn't impact me anymore, so I don't have to stop and charge at every opportunity.

Sure, you can argue that I'm not DCFC charging for 1200 miles, but the cost of DCFC is still quite a lot less than the cost of gas. For DCFC, it costs me $15 for ~200 miles, or $0.07-$0.08/mile and it's quite a lot cheaper when I use other charging in conjunction with DCFC on long trips--people seem to think long trips require only DCFC, but that's simply not true.

The cost of gas for me is about $0.20-$0.30 per mile.

This is EA's pricing. So at $0.48 per kW, to get from 20%-80% (extended battery) requires about 60kW. That's about $30.

 

[DevSecOps]

There's really no point in arguing this when we have something called math ? .

90kw battery being charged 20-80% means that we are "filling" 60% of the 90kw, or 54kw of power.

In California, EA stations with out the pricing plan are charging $0.43 per kw.

54 x .43 = $23.22

With the plan it's $0.31 per kw

54 x .31 = $16.74

 

[A-A-Ron]

There's really no point in arguing this when we have something called math ? .

90kw battery being charged 20-80% means that we are "filling" 60% of the 90kw, or 54kw of power.

In California, EA stations with out the pricing plan are charging $0.43 per kw.

54 x .43 = $23.22

With the plan it's $0.31 per kw

54 x .31 = $16.74

There you go bringing math to an anecdote fight

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