THE KIA EV6 GT SCRAMBLES BRAND PERCEPTIONS

[voxel]

That’s interesting that it doesn’t feel as fast as the GTPE. On paper it’s definitely faster.

This isn’t the first “faster” BEV that doesn’t feel faster though.

My guess is the explosive (and peaky) tq curve of the GTPE. 634 lb ft shows up fast…… then quickly disappears. Definitely gives that roller coaster feel.

RIght. It didn't feel faster probably because of the suspension. I have the same opinion of the Model S LR which I launched on an open highway north of Daytona and I got to 85mph without feeling any push. The air suspension is very numbing in that car and I suspect the adaptive suspension is doing something to the GT. I tried GT mode + sport mode multiple times with the salesguy next to me.. he was fine because I've been chatting with him since I ordered way back in July 2022.

I had a MINI electric that felt fast (acceleration and top speed) but when I looked at the dash I was only going 45mph lol.

Also, the GTPE has wicked low-end thrust to 30mph and that's what shoves me back into my seat.

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[tuminatr]

Yes the Kia EV6 GT is very confusing indeed.
My salesperson had a hard time understanding I wanted to test drive a RWD GT.
Kept pointing to the AWD GT.

So my test drive was a GT-line RWD.

Thanks for the clarification.

Makes sense, I to drove a EV6 GT-Line AWD and found it to be similar to your experience. The only difference to what you posted is I have non stock UHP all season tires and the cornering and road feel, and breaks felt sooo much better on the MME. Suspension on the EV6 was very soft in comparison definitely smoother. Likely most of the difference the cornering and breaking I was preferring on the MME was the tire choice difference.

 

[SWO]

Openly that's good, but do what most of the MME GT owners do and put custom wheels and non low rolling resistance tires and that could easily be 150. During the winter maybe even 135 in the frozen tundra we call Minnesota

EV6 GT range seems closer to a MachE AWD SR in my opinion.

Just an anecdote, but the weekend before last I went 206 miles between stops on I81 (70+) in 36deg with a driving rain with GTPE wheels and DWS06+ tires. In moderate temps, I can make the 194mi trip to our cabin in the mountains (lots of uphill) with 25+% battery remaining depending on how heavy my foot is. With temps near freezing my arrival % is 9-16% with preconditioning before departure. The MachE GT is objectively better in total range as compared to the EV6 GT.

 

[4sallypat]

EV6 GT range seems closer to a MachE AWD SR in my opinion.

Just an anecdote, but the weekend before last I went 206 miles between stops on I81 (70+) in 36deg with a driving rain with GTPE wheels and DWS06+ tires. In moderate temps, I can make the 194mi trip to our cabin in the mountains (lots of uphill) with 25+% battery remaining depending on how heavy my foot is. With temps near freezing my arrival % is 9-16% with preconditioning before departure. The MachE GT is objectively better in total range as compared to the EV6 GT.

My choice is the RWD EV6 with the 77.4 kWh battery and is rated at 310 miles.

More than enough range for me - as my SR Lightning at 250 miles doesn't get charged for a week or 10 days depending on my commute....

 

[npgeorgeuw]

1. 40s is not winter temperatures, below freezing is.
2. Both the EV6 GT-Line AWD and Ioniq 5 AWD underperformed their EPA ratings in this 70 mph testing by >10%. The Ioniq 5 AWD w/ 20" wheels only managed 195 miles when rated at 256, and the EV6 GT has the same size wheels, so I do not believe your claim that it will get anywhere near 230. Feel free to post highway speed testing that proves me otherwise.
https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

Actually. 40s is winter temps here. I moved away from the frigid Hell long ago. Never looked back. It’s just not “your” winter. On top of that winter range is so dependent on HVAC usage it’s almost impossible to draw conclusions. The bottom line is I can get 3 miles/kWh on a 50+ mile drive round trip with lots of terrain and ending with an over 800 ft elevation gain at my house. You can check the route yourself in ABRP, Squak Mountain Issaquah WA to Auburn WA and back. This is with the stock tires and a good amount of sport and decidedly not efficient driving. As I said previously at 45-48 degrees and some wet pavement. Cold battery, about 40 per OBD2 at the start. HVAC not on eco at set to 70.

The OBD2 readings suggested I was over 3.1 miles/kWh, sadly I ran up to the neighbors house first before coming home so have a little bit extra elevation gain/loss. Take it or leave it but the MME GT PE would be lucky to get 2.7-2.8 on this trip.

With better tires and actually trying, this is an over 240 vehicle when in the 40s. As I said prior, real cold range sucks in most models and is massively dependent on everything from not laying attention to tire pressure and hvac settings.

Also, those EPA ratings aren’t apples to apples with the EV6. The GT was (it is believed) tested not in Eco mode and I believe that’s been all but confirmed now. Listen, I’m not saying it’s efficient, it’s not. But it’s more efficient than the MME GT/PE and I own both and love both. There’s a good amount of efficiency gains to be had with the EV6 by design whereas the MME just doesn’t have options. It’s only about hvac, tires and driving style.

 

[npgeorgeuw]

EV6 GT range seems closer to a MachE AWD SR in my opinion.

Just an anecdote, but the weekend before last I went 206 miles between stops on I81 (70+) in 36deg with a driving rain with GTPE wheels and DWS06+ tires. In moderate temps, I can make the 194mi trip to our cabin in the mountains (lots of uphill) with 25+% battery remaining depending on how heavy my foot is. With temps near freezing my arrival % is 9-16% with preconditioning before departure. The MachE GT is objectively better in total range as compared to the EV6 GT.

you’re comparing range with the EV6 GT rated on F1 Eagles sticky summer tires and your MME GT PE on DWS06+s? I’ve done both in their stock tires and the MME GT PE was worse on our daily commute in terms of efficiency with slightly higher range predicted. (Not a lot higher which was what I was expecting per the battery size). Same route similar weather but there was hvac usage with both. Now that I’ve got CC2s on hers (MME) and PSAS4s on mine (GT) on stock rims but I have no clue which will give more range. Based on efficiency, the GT is still winning that but hurt by the tiny battery. There are individuals that are testing or driving DWS06+s on the EV6 GT and seeing extremely good efficiency (far above the epa ratings and in cold climates) but they also downsized rims and overall wheel/tire weight. The rims and wheel combos on both the EV6 GT line and the GT are 68 lbs, god awful.

 

[npgeorgeuw]

You can say that, but the numbers prove otherwise.

How things “feel” and how things are with cars don’t always line up.

Kinda like how a few posts ago someone said the GTPE acceleration feels more brutal, but we know the EV6 GT is actually faster.

The GTPE puts down more G forces on the skidpad and stops faster than the EV6 GT…….. even if it doesn’t feel that way to you.

I didn’t say anything about brakes faster I said better performing brakes. As in how they feel and how they work with the car. Sorry I didn’t specify. Handling is still worse and far less customizable with GT PE. It’s a boat and especially at high speeds 80-100, the EV6 GT really shines. They’re both good, mind you. But the options to customize and a tail feeling of suspension changes are awesome and body roll alone it’s beats my wifes GT PE easily. If I could combine elements of both it would be perfect. Lol.

Although I didn’t mention Gs, there is more brutal torque and it’s apparent for about a second but it isn’t a huge difference and especially if max output mode is tuned on (that’s a whole other thing completely). I can say that recently I hit that 5s limit or some limit in our GTPE when I took a fast shot down the freeway (drying after a car wash) to about 95mph and missed my exit so got off on the next exit and floored it back. It was bad. Neither here nor there.

 

[tuminatr]

Actually. 40s is winter temps here. I moved away from the frigid Hell long ago. Never looked back. It’s just not “your” winter. On top of that winter range is so dependent on HVAC usage it’s almost impossible to draw conclusions. The bottom line is I can get 3 miles/kWh on a 50+ mile drive round trip with lots of terrain and ending with an over 800 ft elevation gain at my house. You can check the route yourself in ABRP, Squak Mountain Issaquah WA to Auburn WA and back. This is with the stock tires and a good amount of sport and decidedly not efficient driving. As I said previously at 45-48 degrees and some wet pavement. Cold battery, about 40 per OBD2 at the start. HVAC not on eco at set to 70.

The OBD2 readings suggested I was over 3.1 miles/kWh, sadly I ran up to the neighbors house first before coming home so have a little bit extra elevation gain/loss. Take it or leave it but the MME GT PE would be lucky to get 2.7-2.8 on this trip.

With better tires and actually trying, this is an over 240 vehicle when in the 40s. As I said prior, real cold range sucks in most models and is massively dependent on everything from not laying attention to tire pressure and hvac settings.

Also, those EPA ratings aren’t apples to apples with the EV6. The GT was (it is believed) tested not in Eco mode and I believe that’s been all but confirmed now. Listen, I’m not saying it’s efficient, it’s not. But it’s more efficient than the MME GT/PE and I own both and love both. There’s a good amount of efficiency gains to be had with the EV6 by design whereas the MME just doesn’t have options. It’s only about hvac, tires and driving style.

To be clear you are saying that Kia EV6 GT, not the GT-Line has these results. If so you somehow are doing better than any other EV6 GT-Line owner I have met on the road.

Here is a range test from out of spec, in a Wind EV6 they averaged 3.0miles/ KWH and 225 miles from full to 0%



they also tested an Ioniq 5 (sel I think) with 19" wheels (this should help) 227miles 3.1miles/KWH

 

[Mach1E]

I didn’t say anything about brakes faster I said better performing brakes. As in how they feel and how they work with the car. Sorry I didn’t specify. Handling is still worse and far less customizable with GT PE. It’s a boat and especially at high speeds 80-100, the EV6 GT really shines. They’re both good, mind you. But the options to customize and a tail feeling of suspension changes are awesome and body roll alone it’s beats my wifes GT PE easily. If I could combine elements of both it would be perfect. Lol.

Although I didn’t mention Gs, there is more brutal torque and it’s apparent for about a second but it isn’t a huge difference and especially if max output mode is tuned on (that’s a whole other thing completely). I can say that recently I hit that 5s limit or some limit in our GTPE when I took a fast shot down the freeway (drying after a car wash) to about 95mph and missed my exit so got off on the next exit and floored it back. It was bad. Neither here nor there.

You’re basically describing the same thing I’m saying, but coming to a different conclusion.

Everything you’re talking about with handling and braking comes down to “feeling.” I haven’t driven the Kia so I can’t comment on the feel, but I don’t doubt anything you’re saying.

But again, in terms of raw numbers, the GTPE will win both categories.

Does it matter? Only if you’re racing around a track or bench racing.

In terms of handling, which would you rather have? The car that feels better and/or is more fun, or the car that actually goes around the corners faster?

Because you can’t have both. Except since you own both……. I guess you can. ?

My guess is the body roll difference also is affected by the height of the vehicle. When you sit higher up, you move more. Because physics.

A regular Miata would get crushed around corners compared to a GTPE, but it won’t feel like it when you drive one!

 

[npgeorgeuw]

To be clear you are saying that Kia EV6 GT, not the GT-Line has these results. If so you somehow are doing better than any other EV6 GT-Line owner I have met on the road.

Here is a range test from out of spec, in a Wind EV6 they averaged 3.0miles/ KWH and 225 miles from full to 0%



they also tested an Ioniq 5 (sel I think) with 19" wheels (this should help) 227miles 3.1miles/KWH

You’re joking right? When I traded my GT line in with about 7,000 miles I was at 3.4 miles per kWh (Lifetime) and had been through a late spring, summer and half a winter in the PNW. It’s really not that hard to achieve but I did drive the vehicle using most if not all of the efficiency tricks I could the last 3k-4k miles. Likewise how I did with my Bolt and Volt for the first 10k miles. Now maybe you’re talking about people who live in actually cold climates. I do not. But I do own both an MME GT PE and did own a GT line and now a GT. In the winter the cars drive mostly in high 30s to low 40s here.

you act like getting over 230 miles in range in an AWD EV6 ER is something that doesn’t happen. Sheez.

 

[tuminatr]

You’re joking right? When I traded my GT line in with about 7,000 miles I was at 3.4 miles per kWh (Lifetime) and had been through a late spring, summer and half a winter in the PNW. It’s really not that hard to achieve but I did drive the vehicle using most if not all of the efficiency tricks I could the last 3k-4k miles. Likewise how I did with my Bolt and Volt for the first 10k miles. Now maybe you’re talking about people who live in actually cold climates. I do not. But I do own both an MME GT PE and did own a GT line and now a GT. In the winter the cars drive mostly in high 30s to low 40s here.

you act like getting over 230 miles in range in an AWD EV6 ER is something that doesn’t happen. Sheez.

Ok, Kia's trim levels are frustrating me in this thread. This thread is about the 576HP EV6 GT.

Is the 320HP GT-Line capable of what you said, Yes
Is the 576 HP Kia EV6-GT capable of 3.4miles per KWH no it isn't (you should see 2.59-2.69miles per KWH)

I could have written my statement better, didn't mean to call you out I was trying to ask if you had a 576HP EV6 GT or the 320HP GT-Line, sorry

 

[npgeorgeuw]

Ok, Kia's trim levels are frustrating me in this thread. This thread is about the 576HP EV6 GT.

Is the 320HP GT-Line capable of what you said, Yes
Is the 576 HP Kia EV6-GT capable of 3.4miles per KWH no it isn't (you should see 2.59-2.69miles per KWH)

I could have written my statement better, didn't mean to call you out I was trying to ask if you had a 576HP EV6 GT or the 320HP GT-Line, sorry

indeed, most GT owners are averaging 2.5-2.6 lifetime (there’s a good thread getting added to daily) but almost everyone I’ve spoken with personally drives it like they stole it. When most of us have pushed it for efficiency it seems to do a good job but the people I know personally have swapped rims and tires thus shedding 15+ lbs per wheel. My point was you can push that significantly higher in the EV6 GT and not just a fluke one-way trip downhill. I have struggled to do the same in the MME GT PE. My wife’s hvac usage really makes our MMEs lifetime stats irrelevant so no need to compare.

On stock tires and all else being the same, for a long round trip in the 40s (F) and with mountainous (hills really) terrain and weather and mixed highway and freeway, the GT can push 3 miles per kWh easy. That means in the summer it’ll push 3.3-3.5. This is not 75mph though there was plenty of 65-75mph coasting on the freeway leg of that route. Having done that same route in my GT line a few months before I traded for the GT, I was over 3.5 for the route. What these ranges translate to for others and their climates, not really my concern. I do know that I usually exceed the EPA ratings on average (for my Bolt, Volt, GT line) but have rarely seen sustained efficiency for the MME GT PE that exceeded the epa efficiency at least with stock tires. But I’m not the only one driving the Mach E either, do that may be a wild card that make all comparisons irrelevant, if you get my drift.

and sorry I got snippy. I thought you were saying I was lying about my GT line range. There are others (not a lot mind you) that are more efficient than I was with that trim.

Ultimately, the MME GT PE has more range but I believe worse efficiency in real life. It’s a not a landslide of extra range and in reality is made up for/by faster charging assuming adequate chargers. Even with a cold pack that charging differential can’t be ignored. Time is money. Now, if a car can’t make it to the charging station then charging speed is pointless. I didn’t but my EV6 GT or our GTPE with “getting to the next charging station” in mind. If you need the range or a range buffer you shouldn’t ostensibly be buying either car and maybe shouldn’t be buying an EV. Although my friend with a M3LR seems to love road tripping with it he also spends a lot of time charging on those trips and not just overnight.

 

[SWO]

you’re comparing range with the EV6 GT rated on F1 Eagles sticky summer tires and your MME GT PE on DWS06+s? I’ve done both in their stock tires and the MME GT PE was worse on our daily commute in terms of efficiency with slightly higher range predicted. (Not a lot higher which was what I was expecting per the battery size). Same route similar weather but there was hvac usage with both. Now that I’ve got CC2s on hers (MME) and PSAS4s on mine (GT) on stock rims but I have no clue which will give more range. Based on efficiency, the GT is still winning that but hurt by the tiny battery. There are individuals that are testing or driving DWS06+s on the EV6 GT and seeing extremely good efficiency (far above the epa ratings and in cold climates) but they also downsized rims and overall wheel/tire weight. The rims and wheel combos on both the EV6 GT line and the GT are 68 lbs, god awful.

Sounds like we're in violent agreement that the MachE GT has better range and the EV6 GT has terrible rims.

Changing the wheel/wheel size a whole new ballgame. I have a set of CR1 take-offs and can get CR1 range with them.

 

[4sallypat]

Comparing the EV6 test drive last week to the Ioniq 5 I test drove today:

Ioniq 5 SEL RWD

Better roominess, center foot area felt more open, trunk was very nice and roomy.

Drove about the same as the EV6 (GT Line RWD).

 

[All Hat No Cattle]

What do you think of this? Sorry if this is a little tough to read. This is from a full page ad in today's Wall Street Journal, placed by KIA.

Do you notice dichotomy between the statement above the white line, and below the white line? I had to enhance and darken the fine print below the white line, it was barely readable, LOL. Interesting, we have a super-fast charging capability, but recommend minimal use of it.

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