"L" mode regen braking doesn't activate brake lights

[GreaseMonkey]

I'm a little confused, unbridle with 1PD turned off has very aggressive regen in my opinion, are people using L because it's not enough still or driving exclusively in other modes?

I personally hate 1PD, my foot never gets comfortable, but I love the car has options. I do get a little uncomfortable with the brakes lights not engaging on unbridled when coasting sooner or at all, the car will slow down to about 5mph pretty quickly in unbridled without 1PD when your foot is off the go pedal.

The great thing about the car is we have options to choose driving style and the 1PD toggle.

L doesn’t do anything with 1pd. Only works with 2pd and the same way it does on every car on earth. People are complaining about random things, none of which are specific to the MME.

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[OON7]

L doesn’t do anything with 1pd. Only works with 2pd and the same way it does on every car on earth. People are complaining about random things, none of which are specific to the MME.

I probably worded it weird, but I meant to ask are the people using L not satisfied with the amount of regen on unbridle mode with 1PD off? I understand it does nothing with 1PD on. Just trying to wrap my brain around it haha.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I'm glad to see there's so much variability in what everyone is comfortable with. With past cars, I've mused at how odd it seemed to provide convenient access to various drive mode settings and whatnot; once I found what I liked, those buttons never got used again.
But now I find that I really like having quick access to that L mode and wish Park Hold was as convenient to toggle on and off (would be great use for that |P| button?).

I'm gonna need to try 1pd a bit more, and see if I can get used to it - seems way more popular than I'd have guessed!

Just use 1PD for a couple of days and you won't go back. If you normally drive in Engage, you can increase or decrease how aggressively you accelerate or decelerate by using Unbridle or Whisper.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

I probably worded it weird, but I meant to ask are the people using L not satisfied with the amount of regen on unbridle mode with 1PD off? I understand it does nothing with 1PD on. Just trying to wrap my brain around it haha.

The initial complaint was about L being effective in slowing down the vehicle but not activating the brake light. Of course it shouldn’t, just like all ICE cars don’t. There were plenty of other things that folks are not happy about, including position of L, position of knob, whether kids should ride in the front and from what age, brake light function, and many many more.
Perfect thread to ignore, imho.

 

[Mach1E]

I probably worded it weird, but I meant to ask are the people using L not satisfied with the amount of regen on unbridle mode with 1PD off? I understand it does nothing with 1PD on. Just trying to wrap my brain around it haha.

Yes.

If I use L, it’s in engage or whisper in 2PD mode.

I don’t use Unbridle much because of the stuff suspension setting in the GTPE in that mode.

It’s nice that this car has so many drive setting options, but I wish I could control the mag ride settings separately from everything else.

 

[Deleted member 13372]

As soon as you release the accelerator.

Ford needs to add an indicator in the driver’s display that lights red when the brake lights are activated, regardless of what activates them. Put it right next to the green headlights-on indicator.

While I’m dreaming, an option to automatically turn off 1-PD while in reverse would be most welcome.

 

[ctenidae]

Just use 1PD for a couple of days and you won't go back. If you normally drive in Engage, you can increase or decrease how aggressively you accelerate or decelerate by using Unbridle or Whisper.

100% on the first part. In the immortal words of Sam, "You do not like them, so you say. Try them! Try them! And you may. Try them and you may, I say."

On the second, it should be pointed out that you can rather finely tune the amount of regen you're getting by modulating the position of your right foot. I drive in Unbridled at all times and very rarely touch the brakes. I have neither faceprints on the windshield nor barf bags in the back seat, so it can be done. Like all things, takes practice.

 

[MG101]

you can rather finely tune the amount of regen you're getting by modulating the position of your right foot.

This. Roll on and roll off. If you're treating the pedal like an on off switch you're doing it wrong.

 

[ChasingCoral]

100% on the first part. In the immortal words of Sam, "You do not like them, so you say. Try them! Try them! And you may. Try them and you may, I say."

On the second, it should be pointed out that you can rather finely tune the amount of regen you're getting by modulating the position of your right foot. I drive in Unbridled at all times and very rarely touch the brakes. I have neither faceprints on the windshield nor barf bags in the back seat, so it can be done. Like all things, takes practice.

Agreed. The important to know about Whisper, Engage, and Unbridled is that removing your foot completely brings you to a stop and flooring it gives you full acceleration in all three modes. The difference is the degree of response to pedal movement.

I use Unbridled 1PD
My wife uses Whisper 1PD

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

The radar gun tells no tales.

Unless it’s night time, how would they see the brake lights anyways if they’re in front of you.

Either way, it’s literally their job. And they’ve seen it all. I doubt any of them are fooled by regenerative braking nor engine braking. Or the 3 mph difference it makes.

If anything, if they’re shooting radar and you see them before they zap you…… brake. You’ll get zapped at a lower speed.

I’m guessing 99% of the people passing a police car hit the brakes anyways. You doing the same doesn’t exactly make you stick out.

And if you live in a state where 100% of the police departments use laser guns, you’re not even going to know they’re there until it’s too late.

 

[dtbaker61]

Ford, more regen on 1pd in all modes, and less sensitive brake light application, please. We can handle it.

I checked out 'max accelleration power', and 'max regen power', using my OBD and CarScanner custom dashboard to display actual kW. In my Select AWD- SR, in unbridled 1-p, max output is just over 200kW for 5 or so seconds depending on temps, then drops to around 150-175kW during 'recovery'.

Max regen is about 100kW, and it will sustain that for quite a while.... I ran out of steep enough downhill to get that rate for very long since it will bring you to a complete stop on all but a very steep decent from a high speed is a fairly short distance.

Considering that max regen is basically like a fast charge, I would say that the very highest the regen could be cranked up for 'extended use' might be 150kW without introducing thermal issues.

I would like higher regen in unbridled to mimic the engine braking you get from a high-compression ICE motor downshift...... but I dunno how many people have a steady enough foot to handle that kind of throttle sensitivity without getting passengers seasick. maybe this is something we can suggest to @Ford Motor Company as an OTA ?!

i.e. max regen with different presets for different modes whisper, normal, unbridled? and perhaps a variable ramp rate with the near-zero-torque throttle response not 'too' sensitive, but get full-on -150kW in unbridled at throttle position 0%, and something a lot less than that in whisper ?!

 

[GreaseMonkey]

I checked out 'max accelleration power', and 'max regen power', using my OBD and CarScanner custom dashboard to display actual kW. In my Select AWD- SR, in unbridled 1-p, max output is just over 200kW for 5 or so seconds depending on temps, then drops to around 150-175kW during 'recovery'.

Max regen is about 100kW, and it will sustain that for quite a while.... I ran out of steep enough downhill to get that rate for very long since it will bring you to a complete stop on all but a very steep decent from a high speed is a fairly short distance.

Considering that max regen is basically like a fast charge, I would say that the very highest the regen could be cranked up for 'extended use' might be 150kW without introducing thermal issues.

I would like higher regen in unbridled to mimic the engine braking you get from a high-compression ICE motor downshift...... but I dunno how many people have a steady enough foot to handle that kind of throttle sensitivity without getting passengers seasick. maybe this is something we can suggest to @Ford Motor Company as an OTA ?!

i.e. max regen with different presets for different modes whisper, normal, unbridled? and perhaps a variable ramp rate with the near-zero-torque throttle response not 'too' sensitive, but get full-on -150kW in unbridled at throttle position 0%, and something a lot less than that in whisper ?!

Thanks for collecting the data!

I agree that the 1pd regen needs some getting used to. When we first got the car my wife would not let me drive in unbridled mode cause it made her uncomfortable. Not anymore. I’m totally used to it.

It would be helpful to also have some consistency in how much regen you get. I feel like it’s not uniform from day t day. The implication is that I find myself slamming on the brakes to stop at a light and scaring pedestrians off.

I’d also say that we should have the ability to create a custom mode that combines attributes from all modes. I find myself either in whisper or unbridled given each has attributes I like. I would really love to drive in whisper and have much more aggressive regen, perhaps a bit more than the 100 kW we get in unbridled.

 

[dtbaker61]

Thanks for collecting the data!

I agree that the 1pd regen needs some getting used to. When we first got the car my wife would not let me drive in unbridled mode cause it made her uncomfortable. Not anymore. I’m totally used to it.

It would be helpful to also have some consistency in how much regen you get. I feel like it’s not uniform from day t day. The implication is that I find myself slamming on the brakes to stop at a light and scaring pedestrians off.

I’d also say that we should have the ability to create a custom mode that combines attributes from all modes. I find myself either in whisper or unbridled given each has attributes I like. I would really love to drive in whisper and have much more aggressive regen, perhaps a bit more than the 100 kW we get in unbridled.

the only times I have noticed less regen is when battery is 95%+ full... I haven't tried to find the exact %, but it would be interesting to know.....

 

[PupSideDown]

Last week, I saw this video on Technology Connections. And the very next day, a driver pulled up alongside me to tell me my brake lights were out. ?

I'm partial to using that L button on the shift dial for on-demand quasi-1PD, especially in stop&go traffic. It won't bring me to a full stop without the brake pedal, but pretty close.
But it seems the brake lights don't come in at all in this mode, unless you touch the brakes. Seems like a rear-end collision waiting to happen.
Has anyone been pulled over for having brake lights out yet?

This seems addressable by a software update. I just hope it doesn't take a fatal accident to make it happen.

Thanks for posting this. I love Technology Connections (full disclosure, Patron) and I worried about this brake light thing, until it became clear it's only a problem in 1PD. Unclear it if also occurs in any of the cruise options. That part worries me.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I would like higher regen in unbridled to mimic the engine braking you get from a high-compression ICE motor downshift......

Agreed. I find that my Lightning feels like it has stronger regeneration in normal mode 1PD than the Mach E has in Unbridled 1PD.

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