GM Adopts Tesla NACS like Ford!

[KevinS]

Great, a balkanized shit-show.

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[Jimrpa]

People are getting too hung up on the charger plugs and outlets. Has anyone ever been to Europe. You need a different plug adaptor for every country you go to. This isn’t difficult - people will just get an adaptor and move on with their lives, if they absolutely want access to everything.

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

How long until the Electrify America CEO is on Twitter Spaces with Elon?

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

Well this can't be good for resale.

The $200 Adapter fixes that!!

 

[kennethjk]

The $200 Adapter fixes that!!

True but will a simple adaptor be able to deliver top speed Electrons to your Car? As it is most of us don’t get anywhere near top speed of 150kw.

not sure I am hung up on anything, I think best result for consumer is for all DCFC stations to have both connectors built in.

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

True but will a simple adaptor be able to deliver top speed Electrons to your Car? As it is most of us don’t get anywhere near top speed of 150kw.

not sure I am hung up on anything, I think best result for consumer is for all DCFC stations to have both connectors built in.

I don't think Molly the homemaker or Brad the CPA that buys your used MME will care if their charge on a road trip takes 18 min or 22 min. Us early adopters are a little more "Geeky" about these things.

 

[kennethjk]

I don't think Molly the homemaker or Brad the CPA that buys your used MME will care if their charge on a road trip takes 18 min or 22 min. Us early adopters are a little more "Geeky" about these things.

Probably right but all I hear from my friends are speed of charging issues on roads trips and of course reliability

I guess we will wait and see how good those adapters are but DCFC chargers with both adapters built in sure make charging more appealing to the masses, don’t have to worry about where they stop for compatibility

 

[SWO]

Great, a balkanized shit-show.

You know the execs at Nissan must be livid. They hung on to CHADEMO for so long and then in 2022 release a car with CCS just in time for every make to switch to Tesla's plug.

Nissan is the canary in the coal mine for charging standards.

 

[KevinS]

You know the execs at Nissan must be livid. They hung on to CHADEMO for so long and then in 2022 release a car with CCS just in time for every make to switch to Tesla's plug.

Nissan is the canary in the coal mine for charging standards.

Well, it creates a conundrum for all automakers who want to sell their cars in multiple countries. Turning the frunk into a dongle-town of adapters isn't very appealing.

 

[Scooby24]

The $200 Adapter fixes that!!

yup...but most people are already skittish about the whole charging thing. They will irrationally consider it antiquated and an obsoleted car.... consumer behavior is annoying.

 

[Vulnox]

True but will a simple adaptor be able to deliver top speed Electrons to your Car? As it is most of us don’t get anywhere near top speed of 150kw.

not sure I am hung up on anything, I think best result for consumer is for all DCFC stations to have both connectors built in.

Why not? Tesla already has an adapter out that does CCS to NACS and it can do 250kW, why would an adapter that goes NACS to CCS have some harder limitation? The only reason to worry about the adapter and rate limitation is if they have to implement cable as well due to the short length of the SuperCharger cables. If it's a cable also adapter then the rate may be limited since the cooling won't extend to the cable.

 

[Holy Driver]

CCS1 vs. CCS2. They're already not compatible between Europe and the US. It's a global standard only in family, not in implementation.

Oh... ok, didn't know that. Thanks

 

[kennethjk]

Why not? Tesla already has an adapter out that does CCS to NACS and it can do 250kW, why would an adapter that goes NACS to CCS have some harder limitation? The only reason to worry about the adapter and rate limitation is if they have to implement cable as well due to the short length of the SuperCharger cables. If it's a cable also adapter then the rate may be limited since the cooling won't extend to the cable.

Question, are Tesla stations cooled like EA stations?

I thought I read that the Tesla superchargers outfitted with CCS dock are slower with the CCS dock than the NACS. Could be wrong on that .

 

[txaggies07]

You know the execs at Nissan must be livid. They hung on to CHADEMO for so long and then in 2022 release a car with CCS just in time for every make to switch to Tesla's plug.

Nissan is the canary in the coal mine for charging standards.

Nissan hasn't made an attractive car in about a decade which I think is a bigger problem for them. I do think it is crazy that EA still puts Chademo chargers out there considering a leaf can't make it from one EA to a second EA charger.

 

[Sillybibbles]

So my questions is how different things are behind the connector. If it's just a simple adaptor without voltage conversion, then an adapter is simple tech. But if the underlying tech is different (i.e. AC w/ frequency differences or something) then it's more complex.
Assuming it's simple, why not build a slightly larger attachment at the end of the hose with both connectors? Lots of Electrify America already has dual cords, but could one cord work for two plugs?

Either way, I'm pretty sure I'll buy an adapter when it comes out.

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