Ford Please Fix These Problems: Out of Spec Kyle

[DR.J56]

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[GreaseMonkey]

I like the guy (and his dad and mom, btw) but why should their videos be so long? Get to the point in less than 10 min.

btw, never in my life have I hovered around the driver door waiting for the screen to come up. Get in, turn on and start driving. There are real issues out there, let’s not come up with more to make (looong) videos about.

 

[TheSteelRider]

I like the guy (and his dad and mom, btw) but why should their videos be so long? Get to the point in less than 10 min.

Just MHO, but I like Kyle's longer format. That said, I agree some of his messaging does get lost in the "fluff". It helps to watch his videos on 1.75x speed, and then just skip back a few seconds and play at normal speed when he's nailing a point.

 

[SWO]

Cliff notes?

 

[TheSteelRider]

I'll summarize his points here. I'm trying to paraphrase his points as neutral as possible without adding any additional color. Discuss below.

Things that he doesn't like about the Mach E

1. Price. He claims the Model Y is about $10k less and you get more from a model Y
2. In order to precondition the cabin, you have to "remote start" the vehicle. He would rather have a dedicated precondition state
3. When you open the car, it doesn't immediately turn on the screens and climate control
4. There is no "easy way" to set a max charging % for the vehicle, you have to create profiles based on location
5. He states that all early Mach E's, the High voltage junction box will eventually die, and he states that he has personally seen examples of post-fix new parts also failing
6. They have the most conservative current limiting in / out of the battery of all EVs. This shows up in a poor charging curve, and it shows in the "5 second limit" of the GT. He claims this is because Ford cheaped out and doesn't have "thermal sensors everywhere"
7. Another complaint about the charging curve not being "class leading". He says he expects an EV to only be at a station 10 -15 minutes and be charged
8. He doesn't like when the car is running and he leaves it honks twice at him. He would rather the car automatically immediately shut off when he gets out the car
9. He wants mag ride to be an option on the premium trim. He claims there is no traction on the car and it bounces all over.
10. (Alyssa's complaint) There is no dedicated "pet mode". She claims in order to do this, you must leave the car on, leave your keys in it, then from the door panel lock the doors. Then, the app doesn't tell you it is on in this mode. (Kyle adds) 90% of the time on a trip, he gets out of the car goes in a store for 10 minutes, and comes back. Wants the car to stay cool not have to pull out an app, wait for it to connect, remote start it; etc.

Things Mach E does well / he loves

1. (Alyssa) Interior - Looks, seat comfort (besides the suspension)
2. Range is great; he's happy about the NACs announcement; gives Ford much credit for that decision
3. Bluecruise 1.2 is fantastic; Alyssa prefers BC 1.2 over Tesla. He can't figure out what the difference is between 1.2 and 1.3
4. Door handles are great; he loves the dial on the screen
5. The reason why the car has a great design, great interior, great range is because Ford put in a lot of effort - the forethought, putting the Mustang name on it (he devolves slightly into hating on the start button here as well)

 

[TheSteelRider]

Personally, I agree with the points on max charging and preconditioning/remote starting. We recently took 3 back-to-back full day road trips and those two issues I must say bugged me.

During this heat wave, it's been 105 degrees F, and at every stop I wanted the climate control to run continuously. I found myself getting out, and using the app to remote start, and then to extend by an extra 15 minutes when necessary. I can see the value in some mode that is like, "Keep the climate control on forever until such time as I tell you to turn it off".

With the max charge %, same complaints as Kyle. If I pull up to a charger, or stay overnight somewhere new, I don't have a global setting to always limit to 90% charge. I *must* use a location-based profile and then set a charge limit. This just seems so incredibly silly. I just cannot imagine that the common use-case is that folks want 100 different max charging % values depending upon where they happen to geographically be at the moment. I mean, I see the value, my point is it doesn't seem like that is more important / valuable than just some global "always and only ever charge to 90% until such time as I say you can go over that"

 

[SWO]

I'll summarize his points here. I'm trying to paraphrase his points as neutral as possible without adding any additional color. Discuss below.

Things that he doesn't like about the Mach E

1. Price. He claims the Model Y is about $10k less and you get more from a model Y
2. In order to precondition the cabin, you have to "remote start" the vehicle. He would rather have a dedicated precondition state
3. When you open the car, it doesn't immediately turn on the screens and climate control
4. There is no "easy way" to set a max charging % for the vehicle, you have to create profiles based on location
5. He states that all early Mach E's, the High voltage junction box will eventually die, and he states that he has personally seen examples of post-fix new parts also failing
6. They have the most conservative current limiting in / out of the battery of all EVs. This shows up in a poor charging curve, and it shows in the "5 second limit" of the GT. He claims this is because Ford cheaped out and doesn't have "thermal sensors everywhere"
7. Another complaint about the charging curve not being "class leading". He says he expects an EV to only be at a station 10 -15 minutes and be charged
8. He doesn't like when the car is running and he leaves it honks twice at him. He would rather the car automatically immediately shut off when he gets out the car
9. He wants mag ride to be an option on the premium trim. He claims there is no traction on the car and it bounces all over.
10. (Alyssa's complaint) There is no dedicated "pet mode". She claims in order to do this, you must leave the car on, leave your keys in it, then from the door panel lock the doors. Then, the app doesn't tell you it is on in this mode. (Kyle adds) 90% of the time on a trip, he gets out of the car goes in a store for 10 minutes, and comes back. Wants the car to stay cool not have to pull out an app, wait for it to connect, remote start it; etc.

Things Mach E does well / he loves

1. (Alyssa) Interior - Looks, seat comfort (besides the suspension)
2. Range is great; he's happy about the NACs announcement; gives Ford much credit for that decision
3. Bluecruise 1.2 is fantastic; Alyssa prefers BC 1.2 over Tesla. He can't figure out what the difference is between 1.2 and 1.3
4. Door handles are great; he loves the dial on the screen
5. The reason why the car has a great design, great interior, great range is because Ford put in a lot of effort - the forethought, putting the Mustang name on it (he devolves slightly into hating on the start button here as well)

Thanks for that. On the Cons list, #2, #3, #8, and to a lesser extent, #10 are all "it's not a Tesla" gripes IMO. I don't want the car to turn on and off constantly, and I don't want the vampire drain that cars like Tesla or Rivian have because of it. Lack of vampire drain is one of the huge plusses for the Mach E IMO.

#4 is a big one for me. I wish they would come out with an update to set some universal charging parameters (maybe even adjust amperage).

 

[dmastro]

I'll summarize his points here. I'm trying to paraphrase his points as neutral as possible without adding any additional color. Discuss below.

Things that he doesn't like about the Mach E

1. Price. He claims the Model Y is about $10k less and you get more from a model Y
2. In order to precondition the cabin, you have to "remote start" the vehicle. He would rather have a dedicated precondition state
3. When you open the car, it doesn't immediately turn on the screens and climate control
4. There is no "easy way" to set a max charging % for the vehicle, you have to create profiles based on location
5. He states that all early Mach E's, the High voltage junction box will eventually die, and he states that he has personally seen examples of post-fix new parts also failing
6. They have the most conservative current limiting in / out of the battery of all EVs. This shows up in a poor charging curve, and it shows in the "5 second limit" of the GT. He claims this is because Ford cheaped out and doesn't have "thermal sensors everywhere"
7. Another complaint about the charging curve not being "class leading". He says he expects an EV to only be at a station 10 -15 minutes and be charged
8. He doesn't like when the car is running and he leaves it honks twice at him. He would rather the car automatically immediately shut off when he gets out the car
9. He wants mag ride to be an option on the premium trim. He claims there is no traction on the car and it bounces all over.
10. (Alyssa's complaint) There is no dedicated "pet mode". She claims in order to do this, you must leave the car on, leave your keys in it, then from the door panel lock the doors. Then, the app doesn't tell you it is on in this mode. (Kyle adds) 90% of the time on a trip, he gets out of the car goes in a store for 10 minutes, and comes back. Wants the car to stay cool not have to pull out an app, wait for it to connect, remote start it; etc.

Things Mach E does well / he loves

1. (Alyssa) Interior - Looks, seat comfort (besides the suspension)
2. Range is great; he's happy about the NACs announcement; gives Ford much credit for that decision
3. Bluecruise 1.2 is fantastic; Alyssa prefers BC 1.2 over Tesla. He can't figure out what the difference is between 1.2 and 1.3
4. Door handles are great; he loves the dial on the screen
5. The reason why the car has a great design, great interior, great range is because Ford put in a lot of effort - the forethought, putting the Mustang name on it (he devolves slightly into hating on the start button here as well)

Not having watched the video, I generally agree with this list (although a few of the items are pretty nitpicky). My major disagreements:

- Not sure about the HVJB, I certainly wouldn't say I expect ALL to fail
- 10-15 minute charge isn't realistic for any car right now, but it'll happen as advancements are made in newer cars
- IMO Tesla autopilot has been far superior to BC (once Tesla worked out the early kinks. I hope/expect BC continues to evolve as well)
- Hate (ok, moderately dislike and think it detracts) the dial

 

[Jimrpa]

Good grief! This guy is SO long-winded and disorganized ? 1:26 before he even REALLY began the video, then, he just sort of rambled around from bash-point to bash-point.
TL;DW: it’s not a Tesla. Ford tried and mostly failed. Ford should just make a vehicle identical to a Tesla with a blue oval on the front because Tesla is the epitome of automotive engineering.
You can thank me later ?
Oh, and he didn’t even bring up the biggest needed improvement - a remote frunk release ???

 

[TheSteelRider]

Good grief! This guy is SO long-winded and disorganized ? 1:26 before he even REALLY began the video, then, he just sort of rambled around from bash-point to bash-point.
TL;DW: it’s not a Tesla. Ford tried and mostly failed. Ford should just make a vehicle identical to a Tesla with a blue oval on the front because Tesla is the epitome of automotive engineering.
You can thank me later ?
Oh, and he didn’t even bring up the biggest needed improvement - a remote frunk release ???

Well, here's the actual list, but I agree your overall summary probably is a good TL;DR for all these points

I'll summarize his points here. I'm trying to paraphrase his points as neutral as possible without adding any additional color. Discuss below.

Things that he doesn't like about the Mach E

1. Price. He claims the Model Y is about $10k less and you get more from a model Y
2. In order to precondition the cabin, you have to "remote start" the vehicle. He would rather have a dedicated precondition state
3. When you open the car, it doesn't immediately turn on the screens and climate control
4. There is no "easy way" to set a max charging % for the vehicle, you have to create profiles based on location
5. He states that all early Mach E's, the High voltage junction box will eventually die, and he states that he has personally seen examples of post-fix new parts also failing
6. They have the most conservative current limiting in / out of the battery of all EVs. This shows up in a poor charging curve, and it shows in the "5 second limit" of the GT. He claims this is because Ford cheaped out and doesn't have "thermal sensors everywhere"
7. Another complaint about the charging curve not being "class leading". He says he expects an EV to only be at a station 10 -15 minutes and be charged
8. He doesn't like when the car is running and he leaves it honks twice at him. He would rather the car automatically immediately shut off when he gets out the car
9. He wants mag ride to be an option on the premium trim. He claims there is no traction on the car and it bounces all over.
10. (Alyssa's complaint) There is no dedicated "pet mode". She claims in order to do this, you must leave the car on, leave your keys in it, then from the door panel lock the doors. Then, the app doesn't tell you it is on in this mode. (Kyle adds) 90% of the time on a trip, he gets out of the car goes in a store for 10 minutes, and comes back. Wants the car to stay cool not have to pull out an app, wait for it to connect, remote start it; etc.

Things Mach E does well / he loves

1. (Alyssa) Interior - Looks, seat comfort (besides the suspension)
2. Range is great; he's happy about the NACs announcement; gives Ford much credit for that decision
3. Bluecruise 1.2 is fantastic; Alyssa prefers BC 1.2 over Tesla. He can't figure out what the difference is between 1.2 and 1.3
4. Door handles are great; he loves the dial on the screen
5. The reason why the car has a great design, great interior, great range is because Ford put in a lot of effort - the forethought, putting the Mustang name on it (he devolves slightly into hating on the start button here as well)

 

[dal]

I'll summarize his points here. I'm trying to paraphrase his points as neutral as possible without adding any additional color. Discuss below.

Things that he doesn't like about the Mach E

1. Price. He claims the Model Y is about $10k less and you get more from a model Y
2. In order to precondition the cabin, you have to "remote start" the vehicle. He would rather have a dedicated precondition state
3. When you open the car, it doesn't immediately turn on the screens and climate control
4. There is no "easy way" to set a max charging % for the vehicle, you have to create profiles based on location
5. He states that all early Mach E's, the High voltage junction box will eventually die, and he states that he has personally seen examples of post-fix new parts also failing
6. They have the most conservative current limiting in / out of the battery of all EVs. This shows up in a poor charging curve, and it shows in the "5 second limit" of the GT. He claims this is because Ford cheaped out and doesn't have "thermal sensors everywhere"
7. Another complaint about the charging curve not being "class leading". He says he expects an EV to only be at a station 10 -15 minutes and be charged
8. He doesn't like when the car is running and he leaves it honks twice at him. He would rather the car automatically immediately shut off when he gets out the car
9. He wants mag ride to be an option on the premium trim. He claims there is no traction on the car and it bounces all over.
10. (Alyssa's complaint) There is no dedicated "pet mode". She claims in order to do this, you must leave the car on, leave your keys in it, then from the door panel lock the doors. Then, the app doesn't tell you it is on in this mode. (Kyle adds) 90% of the time on a trip, he gets out of the car goes in a store for 10 minutes, and comes back. Wants the car to stay cool not have to pull out an app, wait for it to connect, remote start it; etc.

Things Mach E does well / he loves

1. (Alyssa) Interior - Looks, seat comfort (besides the suspension)
2. Range is great; he's happy about the NACs announcement; gives Ford much credit for that decision
3. Bluecruise 1.2 is fantastic; Alyssa prefers BC 1.2 over Tesla. He can't figure out what the difference is between 1.2 and 1.3
4. Door handles are great; he loves the dial on the screen
5. The reason why the car has a great design, great interior, great range is because Ford put in a lot of effort - the forethought, putting the Mustang name on it (he devolves slightly into hating on the start button here as well)

Gonna have you summarize all my boring lecture notes from now on!

 

[DYohn]

Blowhard. All of his "concerns" are either moot to me (because I don't want the MME to be a Tesla) and/or unfounded (like all early high voltage relays failing. BS. Mine hasn't.)

 

[Amazonkers]

#8 is an option that can be turned off. The car never beeps at me (just says Vehicle is turned on in the dashboard, etc.).

Edit: I was wrong. I just had to drive to the mailbox and tried it and it did beep. I guess I had trained myself to never do this because my previous car would scare the hell out me if I did (a Volt).

 

[WJKramer]

#8 is an option that can be turned off. The car never beeps at me (just says Vehicle is turned on in the dashboard, etc.).

I have never seen this option to turn off. It's one of my number one gripes.

 

[TheSteelRider]

#8 is an option that can be turned off. The car never beeps at me (just says Vehicle is turned on in the dashboard, etc.).

I think his complaint here really was NAT ("Not a Tesla"). He wants the car to turn itself off automagically and immediately when he exits the vehicle (e.g., start button hate). Not so much the honk.

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