Will Tesla still lead the BEV market in 3-5 years?

[DeluxeStang]

Sure it’s personal, but it’s a pretty common opinion.

FWIW, I actually hope the Y redesign looks better. Literally ANY shape or form to it would help.

It looks like those blobs of clay they use to design cars, but they forgot to put any details on the blob.

Maybe they will surprise us both and figure out what’s uglier than a Cybertruck.

As an aspiring designer, I have a theory. That size and detailing have an inverse relationship when it comes to making something attractive. In other words, as a product grows in size, it needs more details/design elements to look right.

Tesla is taking the Apple approach to design. Making something look simple. It works for a phone because a phone is small. But on a car, it just looks like something is missing. There's all this blank space with uninspired surfacing.

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[Jferrari427]

For the “roadster,” it’s the original one based on a Lotus Elise. Good looking because Lotus…..

Not talking about the future roadster vapor ware.

Vapor ware is exactly right. You can reserve a Tesla roadster for $50K upfront via wire transfer with no promise of delivery date on their website lol ?

 

[GreaseMonkey]

The shape of Model Y is designed to reduce drag vs Mach-E designed to look pretty. I never knew this till you all decided to chime in with your Tesla hate , but there’s quite a difference between the two: MY: 0.23 and MME: 0.30. MME has one of the highest in the modern EV market (SUVs and sedans). Which is why we need 25% larger battery and 400 lbs more weight. Just look at how drastically different the two front ends look side by side (pretty one is mine ).

 

[Mach1E]

The shape of Model Y is designed to reduce drag vs Mach-E designed to look pretty. I never knew this till you all decided to chime in with your Tesla hate , but there’s quite a difference between the two: MY: 0.23 and MME: 0.30. MME has one of the highest in the modern EV market (SUVs and sedans). Which is why we need 25% larger battery and 400 lbs more weight. Just look at how drastically different the two front ends look side by side (pretty one is mine ).

Worth it.

We can travel just as far at 75 mph and look good doing it.

I also wear a suit at work instead of sweatpants.

 

[Jferrari427]

Worth it.

We can travel just as far at 75 mph and look good doing it.

I also wear a suit at work instead of sweatpants.

Yep looks matter …a lot lol don’t drive an egg ?

 

[superdave80]

Which is why we need 25% larger battery and 400 lbs more weight.

The Mach-E does not have a 25% bigger battery:

Model Y AWD standard battery: 67.6 kWh (estimated)
Mach-E AWD standard battery: 75.7 kWh (70 kWh usable)

 

[GreaseMonkey]

The Mach-E does not have a 25% bigger battery:

Model Y AWD standard battery: 67.6 kWh (estimated)
Mach-E AWD standard battery: 75.7 kWh (70 kWh usable)

Model Y Long range is 81, Mach-E Extended range is 100. Based on 3rd grade math, that’s 25%.

 

[Mach1E]

Model Y Long range is 81, Mach-E Extended range is 100. Based on 3rd grade math, that’s 25%.

Except that it’s 91 (or 88 based on the year).

Usable is all that matters.

And the Y also isn’t 81.

 

[SWO]

By number 1 - I mean in sales.

There is a TON of competition coming in. IMO Tesla is at their peak market share now, the pendulum is swinging the other way.

I think the answer is Tesla will decline in sales due to competition. They're not big enough to move, build, and create as the other massive manufacturers with billions at their disposal. I think also Tesla realizes this as they are aggressively pricing their cars, and trying to cover as much ground as possible now.

The heat is being turned up.

Competition is a great thing.

Super interesting to see where this market is going.

This is my take.

The MS/MX will not be able to compete with the the Euro luxury brands.

The M3/MY are their bread and butter but they will struggle to compete with the cheap foreign offerings which are coming.

Cybertruck is still vaporware. Will it be insignificant when it finally comes to market and competes against 4(?) other options?

Their market share is only going down IMO.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Except that it’s 91 (or 88 based on the year).

Usable is all that matters.

I’m concerned about all the weight you’re carrying with you that makes the vehicle handle like shit.

 

[Mach1E]

I’m concerned about all the weight you’re carrying with you that makes the vehicle handle like shit.

Handle like shit? I drive one of the best handling SUVs ever made.

.99 G on the skidpad.

I’ll let you google the list of SUVs that are higher and report back.

https://www.edmunds.com/amp/car-news/track-tested-2022-ford-mustang-mach-e-gt.html

Or you could let me google for you.

The ONE SUV that did better when my car came out in 2021- The Lamborghini Urus. And it was only barely better but with significantly better tires-

https://www.motortrend.com/features/best-handling-suvs-and-crossovers/amp/

 

[GreaseMonkey]

And the Y also isn’t 81.

Here, reference this: https://insideevs.com/news/659872/2023-tesla-modely-epa-range-price/amp/

 

[thekat03]

OK, now I have to ask... Why is the coefficient of drag for the MME the same as that of the ID Buzz? I think what makes cars aerodynamic is way over my head.

 

[Mach1E]

Here, reference this: https://insideevs.com/news/659872/2023-tesla-modely-epa-range-price/amp/

“Probably around….”

Everyone else says probably around 75, so who knows?

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Handle like shit? I drive one of the best handling SUVs ever made.

.99 G on the skidpad.

I’ll let you google the list of SUVs that are higher and report back.

https://www.edmunds.com/amp/car-news/track-tested-2022-ford-mustang-mach-e-gt.html

Or you could let me google for you.

The ONE SUV that did better when my car came out in 2021- The Lamborghini Urus. And it was only barely better but with significantly better tires-

https://www.motortrend.com/features/best-handling-suvs-and-crossovers/amp/

Unlike you, I don’t live on a racetrack. I live in the real world where pot holes, bumps and speed traps are all over. Mach-E is needlessly heavy and bouncy as fuck. But you enjoy.

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