HUGE Safety Issue - 1PD - "Drive Mode Not Available"

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Had this drive mode not available for a couple of months now. It still pops up from time to time. I cannot believe Ford still hasn't fixed the problem. Very disappointed in Ford.
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hhhhmmmm, and still no way to get a 'service pak' update to jump from wherever you are at to 'current' ?

this means that if I were confident the fix was in 6.x, (in a Relase Note, or TSB ?) there's no way for me to get there without going thru all the intermediate updates and having the bugs and features come and go on a weekly basis as I catch up?

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Avoiding releases is a bad idea for the reason DevSecOps cites, also because some releases apply critical updates. Your MME may just stop operating to install critical updates, which could strand you.
 

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No, supposedly there is a fix in the works. But when you know about something unsafe do you keep doing it? Just my thought. If I used 1PD and drove with passengers I would go back to 2PD until the fix came out. It would be little comfort to blame/sue Ford after someone got hurt and I knew there was an issue. That is just me and probably the results of 20 years of attending IBEW safety meetings!
Perhaps you could contribute here. I seldom use 1PD mode because it feels like I'm accelerating with drag the last 10-20 yards to a stop just to regen. My brother is a retired journeyman electrician who knows motors quite well. He explained that if electricity is not supplied to a motor, the motor will by its nature produce electricity until it stops spinning - up to 90% of the power it would otherwise consume. I'm comfortable with my MME motor generating electrical power w/o 1PD mode, even if it does not generate 100% of its capability.

Perhaps other owners will feel more comfortable driving w/o 1PD mode knowing 1PD mode is not necessary to regenerate electricity.
 

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Perhaps you could contribute here. I seldom use 1PD mode because it feels like I'm accelerating with drag the last 10-20 yards to a stop just to regen. My brother is a retired journeyman electrician who knows motors quite well. He explained that if electricity is not supplied to a motor, the motor will by its nature produce electricity until it stops spinning - up to 90% of the power it would otherwise consume. I'm comfortable with my MME motor generating electrical power w/o 1PD mode, even if it does not generate 100% of its capability.

Perhaps other owners will feel more comfortable driving w/o 1PD mode knowing 1PD mode is not necessary to regenerate electricity.
I believe people chose 1PD as a style of driving and many prefer it over 1PD. I think most, if not all, realize all braking except very hard is regenerative. My observation was more of something for a person to think about - sometimes people bring up safety issues and complain (rightfully!) but fail to take steps to be safe when there are things they can do about it.
 

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Perhaps other owners will feel more comfortable driving w/o 1PD mode knowing 1PD mode is not necessary to regenerate electricity.
1-p mode, OR medium pressure on brake pedal, can generate up to about 100kW of regen energy. If you press harder on the brake indicating you want more braking, or are going too slowly for regen, the MME blends in mechanical braking.

So yes, you get regen either way....
 


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Had this drive mode not available for a couple of months now. It still pops up from time to time. I cannot believe Ford still hasn't fixed the problem. Very disappointed in Ford.
Good afternoon, Jay! I would be glad to help you out with these drive mode not available concerns if you'd like. Just shoot us a PM with your VIN and dealer name/location, and I'll get right on it. Thank you!
 

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Perhaps you could contribute here. I seldom use 1PD mode because it feels like I'm accelerating with drag the last 10-20 yards to a stop just to regen. My brother is a retired journeyman electrician who knows motors quite well. He explained that if electricity is not supplied to a motor, the motor will by its nature produce electricity until it stops spinning - up to 90% of the power it would otherwise consume. I'm comfortable with my MME motor generating electrical power w/o 1PD mode, even if it does not generate 100% of its capability.

Perhaps other owners will feel more comfortable driving w/o 1PD mode knowing 1PD mode is not necessary to regenerate electricity.
It doesn’t work that way. You can’t create energy, only convert it. If your not slowing down (or creating heat) you’re motor isn’t generating measurable power back to the battery.
You don’t need 1PD but you definitely need regen braking. you're not powering through regen when slowing down (it’s always one or the other). It’s all in your head because you’re still on the accelerator pedal.
 

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It doesn’t work that way. You can’t create energy, only convert it. If your not slowing down (or creating heat) you’re motor isn’t generating measurable power back to the battery.
You don’t need 1PD but you definitely need regen braking. you're not powering through regen when slowing down (it’s always one or the other). It’s all in your head because you’re still on the accelerator pedal.
Agreed, technically the inertia of a 5,000 lb. vehicle is being converted to other forms of energy. Some is converted to electricity, some to heat...
 

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Did not watch it but heard it was lively! Not advocating switching - but if you are going to say it’s not safe (not you specifically) my point was you can make it safe until Ford makes the fix! So does 1PD make you blue or red or am I allowed to ask that? (Just joking!!!)
Well, since you asked......As, I age (mid 50's) I find myself more "Purple". Not sure why politics has become so divisive. Tip O'neil and President Reagan, could routinely sit down together and hammer out compromises. These guys seem like they're more interested in money and power than representing their constituents. We (the American Public) need a 3rd Party in this country that represents the "true majority" of the country.........and I will leave it at that so as not to get kicked out of another thread; as was the case previously.

PS.... 2PD=the confused & 1PD=Well adjusted, healthy and secure individuals ? ?
 
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Good afternoon, Jay! I would be glad to help you out with these drive mode not available concerns if you'd like. Just shoot us a PM with your VIN and dealer name/location, and I'll get right on it. Thank you!
You’re fucking useless, and chiming in at the worst possible time and not even remotely able to address the issue at hand. Honestly, just shut up.
 

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You’re fucking useless, and chiming in at the worst possible time and not even remotely able to address the issue at hand. Honestly, just shut up.
There's no need to be so rude. The EV team does what they can to capture issues, elevate them, and help motivate the local dealership to ensure it's addressed. I'd rather see consistent engagement when customers have issues, even if they may not be able to fully solve the issue, than not offer any help at all.
 
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There's no need to be so rude. The EV team does what they can to capture issues, elevate them, and help motivate the local dealership to ensure it's addressed. I'd rather see consistent engagement when customers have issues, even if they may not be able to fully solve the issue, than not offer any help at all.
No they don’t. Their “help” isn’t help. It’s a canned response that serves little to no benefit, and tosses it off to the dealer where they will just shrug their shoulders. They didn’t even acknowledge the primary problem of the thread. The rudeness is deserved.
 

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Well, since you asked......As, I age (mid 50's) I find myself more "Purple". Not sure why politics has become so divisive. Tip O'neil and President Reagan, could routinely sit down together and hammer out compromises. These guys seem like they're more interested in money and power than representing their constituents. We (the American Public) need a 3rd Party in this country that represents the "true majority" of the country.........and I will leave it at that so as not to get kicked out of another thread; as was the case previously.

PS.... 2PD=the confused & 1PD=Well adjusted, healthy and secure individuals ? ?
Sounds wrong to me. 1PD seems like the people who can’t ride a bike a chew gum at the same time. Just joking of course! For myself I just don’t like the deceleration feeling, even in unbridled, 2PD, but am also quite sure I would screw up switching between vehicles. I stay out of politics as too many people can’t discuss things maturely (not implying you) these days so things seem to get heated up versus a healthy debate!
 

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I wonder, with all the influencers/reviewers out there on Youtube, why isn't there a single video talking about this problem? (At least not with the error in the title or description).
I have watched plenty of reviews, and not ever did I come across this.
So, I'm wondering, do we have an idea of how common this is?
 
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I wonder, with all the influencers/reviewers out there on Youtube, why isn't there a single video talking about this problem? (At least not with the error in the title or description).
I have watched plenty of reviews, and not ever did I come across this.
So, I'm wondering, do we have an idea of how common this is?
Everyone that I know that has a MME has this issue, at least intermittently. And I assume the "influencers" don't want to get on Ford's PR bad side...
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