Soon to be Mach-E owner, tempted to be Model Y owner

[MachA]

Personally, I'd wait for the Mach E. You're probably getting a 2024 Model Year, which should include the new LFP battery. That battery is significantly larger than what the Model Y Standard Range (I'm assuming you're talking about that trim based on the pricing) has - 60 vs 72 kWh. The MY Standard Range Sound System is also at best equal to the Mach E B&O, unlike the LR/P "premium" variants - concerning those, I agree with the previous posts.

The point about the charging network is essentially moot in Europe due to universal CCS charging and Tesla opening up many Supercharger locations to all brands, so Tesla vehicles have no edge there. The MY looks like a boring blob, and has its share of issues as well. I'm not in IT, but fairly tech-y, and some things about the MY drive me crazy. The rain sensors (probably more of a Germany than a Spain type of problem, but still), automated headlights and driver assist systems (EU software stack is different from US!) are terrible compared to the Mach E, not to mention the literally non-existent parking sensors and lack of a front camera. Seriously, parking with the Mach E is a breeze because you can actually see in front of the car, while the MY lacks a camera and also has a sharp drop in the front, so you can never tell where it actually ends.

The Mach E has quite a few annoying software quirks, and PAAK is, to me at least, pretty much unusable. The UI choices have been staggeringly odd. Lack of a global charge limit is just... why. But to me, the omission of Apple CarPlay on Teslas is a much larger deal breaker software-wise: My garage door opener, calendar, EV routing superior to both Tesla nav and Ford nav and messaging through different apps while driving using speech works flawlessly on the Mach E, but wouldn't be available on the MY at all.

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[Ghost Ryder]

I have both the MYP and the GTPE. And when asked which one I would recommend. I would always recommend the Tesla to 1st time EV buyers. Tesla is like the iPhone. It just works. It's simple and intuitive. They include features in their products that you didn't know you wanted until it's there. Forward thinking I guess.

There's less chance the EV newbie will be turned off by the EV owner's experience with a Tesla than with other brands.

 

[Pieter]

Personally, I'd wait for the Mach E. You're probably getting a 2024 Model Year, which should include the new LFP battery. That battery is significantly larger than what the Model Y Standard Range (I'm assuming you're talking about that trim based on the pricing) has - 60 vs 72 kWh. The MY Standard Range Sound System is also at best equal to the Mach E B&O, unlike the LR/P "premium" variants - concerning those, I agree with the previous posts.

Ok, so now I'm confused. Mine has the LFP battery. Does that mean I'm getting the 2024 MY? Because on the note I got it says 2023.75 model.

 

[Pieter]

I have both the MYP and the GTPE. And when asked which one I would recommend. I would always recommend the Tesla to 1st time EV buyers. Tesla is like the iPhone. It just works. It's simple and intuitive. They include features in their products that you didn't know you wanted until it's there. Forward thinking I guess.

There's less chance the EV newbie will be turned off by the EV owner's experience with a Tesla than with other brands.

Wait..are you calling the MME an Android? ?

 

[Auto Motive]

This story started two weeks ago, somewhere in Europe (Spain to be more precise):

After checking out different EV's (Tesla, Audi, Volvo, Toyota), my wife and I finally decided on the Mach-E. We both loved the design, its features and were nicely surprised by its build quality.

When we did the test drive at the dealership, they told us the expected delivery date was end November / beginning of December.
The day of the signing of the contract (just 5 days later) in all of a sudden a new delivery date popped up: January 10th.
We were told this was based on a misunderstanding between the salesperson and his boss, the beginning of December was never an option.

Quite disappointed by this, they told us this date is just an estimation and usually gets updated a few days after placing the order. With that in mind they offered us to place the order without any upfront payment until a week after, with the option to cancel it without any risk should the date remain unchanged.

A week passed and the date didn't change. Nonetheless, since we both liked the car so much, we decided to go for it. We wire transferred the upfront payment and that's that.

Until a week later, yesterday, we got a call that the delivery date was updated.
However, no reason for cheering, it was actually delayed till February 24th!! We went from end November/beginning December when we first tried the car to February 24th two weeks later. Say what?! The explanation that we got was that the car we reserved (which was already in Europe: Anterp, Belgium) was probably assigned to another dealership as we didn't do the upfront payment (they offered that...). As no more models with our configuration are in stock in Europe, the next available one has to be shipped from Mexico.

Now we are seriously thinking of cancelling the order and going for our second option: the Tesla model Y.
Currently the model Y has a discount on stock models of 5000 euros, lowering the price to 41.000 euros, delivered in 3 weeks, as opposed to the Mach-E which goes for 49.000 euros (select trim, tech pack, sun roof and carbonized grey), to be delivered February 24th.

I know this is not the best place to ask, but what would you guys do?

Great you asjed. We have a 2021 GTPE and its been nothing but awesomeness! Not another ev can match it. When the Y prices dropped in Apr. Wife wanted to test drive a modelY AWD long range. MSRP $72500 down to $53000 included custom paint and 20 rims. Deduct our tax credit $7500 it cost us $45500. It was a no brainer. The 2023 has a lot of upgrades. We love. them both. We sold our 2011 kia optima sx 104000 miles look like new in a week. Now one ice suv remains but a test drive in a model x AWD long range in Jan will tell if its a go. Good luck either way they both are excellent choices.

 

[MachEMaster]

If you want to blend into a parking lot, or a busy freeway. Get a Model Y.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Wait..are you calling the MME an Android? ?

With how often it crashes, yeah.

 

[MachA]

Ok, so now I'm confused. Mine has the LFP battery. Does that mean I'm getting the 2024 MY? Because on the note I got it says 2023.75 model.

Interesting, I haven't heard of a 23.75 model in Germany. Everyone I've seen ordering an LFP got a 24 on their order confirmations. However, that confirms you are getting the new battery, which is neat!

 

[Pieter]

Interesting, I haven't heard of a 23.75 model in Germany. Everyone I've seen ordering an LFP got a 24 on their order confirmations. However, that confirms you are getting the new battery, which is neat!

It's actually listed as such also on the German site:

Interesting by the way that there is only 3000€ price difference between the Base/Select and Premium trim on the German website. In Spain there is a 18.000€ price gap (the premium goes for 67.000). That's why I never considered a Premium trim in the first place

 

[silverelan]

Great you asjed. We have a 2021 GTPE and its been nothing but awesomeness! Not another ev can match it. When the Y prices dropped in Apr. Wife wanted to test drive a modelY AWD long range. MSRP $72500 down to $53000 included custom paint and 20 rims. Deduct our tax credit $7500 it cost us $45500. It was a no brainer. The 2023 has a lot of upgrades. We love. them both. We sold our 2011 kia optima sx 104000 miles look like new in a week. Now one ice suv remains but a test drive in a model x AWD long range in Jan will tell if its a go. Good luck either way they both are excellent choices.

Rivian R1S > Tesla Model X

 

[silverelan]

Ok, so now I'm confused. Mine has the LFP battery. Does that mean I'm getting the 2024 MY? Because on the note I got it says 2023.75 model.

Model year 23.75? Muy interesante!

If it's got the LFP battery than some cool things are happening and that's the big thing. I think the 2024s get a heat pump? They definitely get faster charging than what the current 2021-23 vehicles.

 

[Pieter]

Model year 23.75? Muy interesante!

If it's got the LFP battery than some cool things are happening and that's the big thing. I think the 2024s get a heat pump? They definitely get faster charging than what the current 2021-23 vehicles.

Muy interesante, or muy preocupante..

The car was built Oct 9th. Based on what I've read on the Internet, deliveries for the 24 model were expected 4th quarter 2023. Does that mean I may be getting one of the last 23 models?
FOMO is kicking in again...
I definitely want the LFP battery, mainly for security reasons.
However, I wouldn't mind faster charging and a heat pump either..

 

[zvez]

Ok, so now I'm confused. Mine has the LFP battery. Does that mean I'm getting the 2024 MY? Because on the note I got it says 2023.75 model.

The invoice you posted shows a standard range battery, on later 23s (built in the second order window starting around May) standard range battery is an LFP. The extended range is still lithium ion

 

[Auto Motive]

Muy interesante, or muy preocupante..

The car was built Oct 9th. Based on what I've read on the Internet, deliveries for the 24 model were expected 4th quarter 2023. Does that mean I may be getting one of the last 23 models?
FOMO is kicking in again...
I definitely want the LFP battery, mainly for security reasons.
However, I wouldn't mind faster charging and a heat pump either..

Heat pump effieceny is very good but the GTPE heater heats faster and is preferred if its freezing out. We always preheat before heading out.

 

[Pieter]

Heat pump effieceny is very good but the GTPE heater heats faster and is preferred if its freezing out. We always preheat before heading out.

Where I live in winter temperatures rarely go below 40F during the night, and never below 50F during the day. So I may actually benefit from a heat pump. On the other hand, not sure if it's worth waiting for, and whether the new year model will have the same retail price (I would expect prices to continue to drop to due fiercer competition, but one never knows and we got a €9000 discount on this one)

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