So, can someone show me all these EV's that can take a 350kW DC charge?

[azerik]

Aside from a couple of very expensive cars, I'm either too blind to see or too smart to believe there are huge amounts of EV's out there that can chew up 350kW or anything remotely close to it.

Reason I bring this up is EA etc can't even keep these chargers running most of the time and according to my back of the napkin math most of these chargers never even see 50% duty at 50% capacity. Aside from seeing bigger numbers all over the place on these chargers and thinking "wow that's gotta be hella fast" then seeing the reality of sub 100Kw charge rates at nearly every car I've glanced at when DC'ing. I'm wondering why they wouldn't just make them 200Kw'ish and reliable. Even 200kW would be 2c for all but a couple of cars in the market currently. Does the EA350kW magically upgrade to 800v arch or something?

There's stacks and stacks of v2 and v3 Superchargers all over the world. And they work! Oddly I've also never heard a Tesla owner complain about having to sit there for 30 minutes.

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[21st Century Pony]

Aside from a couple of very expensive cars, I'm either too blind to see or too smart to believe there are huge amounts of EV's out there that can chew up 350kW or anything remotely close to it.

Reason I bring this up is EA etc can't even keep these chargers running most of the time and according to my back of the napkin math most of these chargers never even see 50% duty at 50% capacity. Aside from seeing bigger numbers all over the place on these chargers and thinking "wow that's gotta be hella fast" then seeing the reality of sub 100Kw charge rates at nearly every car I've glanced at when DC'ing. I'm wondering why they wouldn't just make them 200Kw'ish and reliable. Even 200kW would be 2c for all but a couple of cars in the market currently. Does the EA350kW magically upgrade to 800v arch or something?

There's stacks and stacks of v2 and v3 Superchargers all over the world. And they work! Oddly I've also never heard a Tesla owner complain about having to sit there for 30 minutes.

My experience and observations at DC EA charging stations match yours.

I do wonder though whether EA might be building for an anticipated future, and not for the current EV fleet out there?

 

[RedStallion]

There's stacks and stacks of v2 and v3 Superchargers all over the world. And they work! Oddly I've also never heard a Tesla owner complain about having to sit there for 30 minutes.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

[srogers]

Fastest Charging Electric Vehicles In 2023

• 1 Lucid Air - 350 kW, 15 minutes. ...
• 2 Kia EV6/ Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 3 Hyundai Ioniq 6 - 350 kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 4 Genesis Electrified GV70, Genesis GV60 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 5 Audi E-Tron GT - 270kW, 21 minutes. ...
• 6 Genesis Electrified G80 - 350kW, 22 minutes.

https://www.topspeed.com/fastest-ch...3/#kia-ev6-hyundai-ioniq-5---350kw-18-minutes

https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/eco/ioniq5/charging

 

[Ravensfan1996]

Besides the Porsche Taycan, Lucid, and Rivian. The Ev6 and Ionic 5 can charge at higher speeds 250kw

 

[Nikos]

It has to do also with battery architecture. The above mentioned fast charging EVs have a 800-900 Volts architecture. Mach Es have a 350-400V and so are the Tesla vehicles. As one of the Forum members explained, non of the Tesla owners complain about the reliable supercharging Tesla network. That is why we are migrating to it. Not soon enough.

 

[DevSecOps]

It has to do also with battery architecture. The above mentioned fast charging EVs have a 800-900 Volts architecture.

That's only partially true. A number of vehicles with 400v architecture charge much faster than the MME and can take advantage of the 350kW units. Rivian is just one example. My truck will maintain 220kW for a sustained period of time and average about 180kW over an entire charge.

500A at 400V = 200kW

The limiting factor with the MME is also the amps and not just the voltage.

 

[milepost1]

Fastest Charging Electric Vehicles In 2023

• 1 Lucid Air - 350 kW, 15 minutes. ...
• 2 Kia EV6/ Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 3 Hyundai Ioniq 6 - 350 kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 4 Genesis Electrified GV70, Genesis GV60 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 5 Audi E-Tron GT - 270kW, 21 minutes. ...
• 6 Genesis Electrified G80 - 350kW, 22 minutes.

https://www.topspeed.com/fastest-ch...3/#kia-ev6-hyundai-ioniq-5---350kw-18-minutes

https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/eco/ioniq5/charging

I hate when times are given. The times are charging under ideal conditions and assuming charger can support the kW. A 150kW charger can only put out 150kW. Now the average consumer is expecting 15 min. So when takes 30 min they complain. Most consumers miss the up to ....

 

[Nikos]

That's only partially true. A number of vehicles with 400v architecture charge much faster than the MME and can take advantage of the 350kW units. Rivian is just one example. My truck will maintain 220kW for a sustained period of time and average about 180kW over an entire charge.

500A at 400V = 200kW

The limiting factor with the MME is also the amps and not just the voltage.

Thank you for the update. On my travels I noticed that Rivian trucks take advantage of EA 350KW chargers. 220KW rate is definitely higher than what my Lightning has taken at EA 350KW station.

 

[Auto Motive]

Fastest Charging Electric Vehicles In 2023

• 1 Lucid Air - 350 kW, 15 minutes. ...
• 2 Kia EV6/ Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 3 Hyundai Ioniq 6 - 350 kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 4 Genesis Electrified GV70, Genesis GV60 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
• 5 Audi E-Tron GT - 270kW, 21 minutes. ...
• 6 Genesis Electrified G80 - 350kW, 22 minutes.

https://www.topspeed.com/fastest-ch...3/#kia-ev6-hyundai-ioniq-5---350kw-18-minutes

https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/eco/ioniq5/charging

Model x 250w 30 minutes.

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