On the Fence after watching Mach E's thermal system nightmare

[Ghost Ryder]

It's getting harder here in CO too. My insurance doesn't even offer windshield coverage now.

And my homeowners insurance premium just went up 71%. In one year.

Crazy. What's the excuse in CO? In CA they say it's the wild fire.

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[Ghost Ryder]

One additional consideration. Though the MY may be cheaper in terms of MSRP, Tesla's interest rates for loans (6.99%) and leases (don't know the precise money factor, but I've read that it is crazy) are really high. I got my CR1 at a 1.05% 3-year lease rate (Ford doesn't try to hide the APR behind a complicated money factor equation) and Ford had also offered 48 months at 0% and 60 months at 1.99%.

True, but you're not obligated to use Tesla's financing. As with any purchases, make sure you're comparing the total cost including interest rates.

 

[dbsb3233]

Crazy. What's the excuse in CO? In CA they say it's the wild fire.

Wildfires here too, but I think hail more than anything. And of course costs of everything going through the roof.

 

[drjimtaylor]

True, but you're not obligated to use Tesla's financing. As with any purchases, make sure you're comparing the total cost including interest rates.

Agreed. And Tesla (and other car companies) hide the real cost by not including sales tax and fees. Plus, Tesla first offers the supposed monthly payments that includes so-called money saved over the course of the loan/lease, not the actual monthly payment. You have to click on another button to get what you will really pay (but, again, that doesn't include sales tax).

Definitely need to dig into the #s to know what the actual costs are (caveat emptor!).

 

[Rabidsquirrel22]

Tesla’s camera only vision system is the biggest reason to avoid a Model Y these days imo. It absolutely sucks compared to ultra sonic sensors for close proximity maneuvering and it’s missing a front bumper cam. They also can’t seem to solve their autopilot phantom braking problems. If you’re okay dealing with those two things, it’s a great value for an EV.

 

[smoke20]

I really like my MME GTPE and would buy another one despite some internet negativity. I am not worried about possible problems....or the fact that the MME lacks tech compared to Tesla. What I like about my MME (in my opinion) is the best in class seats, best in class looks, and rock solid build quality. As Ric Ocasek of the Cars sang in Heartbeat City, "And all you need is what you got."

No offense, but I really like that my MME does not look like a Tesla.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I really like my MME GTPE and would buy another one despite some internet negativity. I am not worried about possible problems....or the fact that the MME lacks tech compared to Tesla. What I like about my MME (in my opinion) is the best in class seats, best in class looks, and rock solid build quality. As Ric Ocasek of the Cars sang in Heartbeat City, "And all you need is what you got."

No offense, but I really like that my MME does not look like a Tesla.

I think it comes down to having a dealership you can trust and can get you in quickly. I'm lucky that my dealer was able to get me in the same day that my HVBJB failed and got it done in a week. Others have not been so lucky.

I like my GTPE and thinks it looks great. No regrets buying it, other than depreciation. Would not hesitate to recommend it to others.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Agreed. And Tesla (and other car companies) hide the real cost by not including sales tax and fees. Plus, Tesla first offers the supposed monthly payments that includes so-called money saved over the course of the loan/lease, not the actual monthly payment. You have to click on another button to get what you will really pay (but, again, that doesn't include sales tax).

Definitely need to dig into the #s to know what the actual costs are (caveat emptor!).

Not really. If you take a minute to go through to check out on their website. no harder than buying a widget on amazon, it gives you the total price, out the door. That is much faster and more transparent than a dealer. Try calling up a dealer and asking them to email you a sales contract with an out the door price and breakdown.

 

[DYohn]

My full-coverage (with windshield replacement coverage) policy here in AZ is less for the MME than my Tesla S was. Maybe it's because Ford. being a more mainstream company, is considered more reliable. Maybe it's "SUV" vs "Sports Sedan." In any case, the premium went up slightly this past renewal but not significantly and still less than the Tesla was. I do have home and life through the same company, however, which tends to keep all three rates down.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

How does Tesla handle your trade-in?

They give you the auction price. Not worth trading in to TESLA. Better to sell to carvana, carmax, etc.

 

[KevinS]

I think it was during the pandemic, but I recall some stories and photos of some of the half-assed assembly techniques (zip ties, wood shims, etc.) that were being used in Tesla's assembly plants.

It may have been a very short time that it was going on, but it speaks volumes about the company culture to think that we can't slow down the line to do it right - just improvise. And message comes from the top. We've seen that time and time again.

Because there have been so many other EVs come on the market since October 2021 when I bought, I would probably look at something other than an MME were I starting today. But I don't think I'd have a Tesla on that list.

 

[Lola2004]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a 23 Mach E Premium with extended range battery, but I just watch Sandy Munro's comparison of the Mach E's thermal system nightmare vs, the Model Y. In addition I am concerned about downtime with HVBJB and other issues. Is this all blown out of proportion? Would you buy another Mach E knowing what you know now? Thanks in advance

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[Ghost Ryder]

My full-coverage (with windshield replacement coverage) policy here in AZ is less for the MME than my Tesla S was. Maybe it's because Ford. being a more mainstream company, is considered more reliable. Maybe it's "SUV" vs "Sports Sedan." In any case, the premium went up slightly this past renewal but not significantly and still less than the Tesla was. I do have home and life through the same company, however, which tends to keep all three rates down.

Insurance companies are so different from one another. With Costco, it seems that no matter wat car I insure, it was around 500-550 a car for 6 months. This ranged from a mazda cx5 (25k MSRP), porsche 911 (110k, MSRP), Porsche Cayenne Turbo (140k MSRP), MYLR (50k msrp), MYP (60k MSRP) and finally MME GTPE (70k MSRP). Those were my cars the last 5 years or so. All insured for the same max coverage. the the breakdown between liability and comprehensive parts were different, but the total for each car were all within the 500-550 per 6 months. Funny how that worked.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

So, you're actually double-screwed because you lose the sales tax offset, too.

For example, your trade-in has a value of $50k. In many states, you only pay sales tax on the difference of trade versus MSRP.

I traded a high value vehicle and paid none. Which was like a $4k savings.

Unfortunately, in CA we get no such breaks.

I know in certain states like Tx when I was there, as long as you sold your car within a month of buying another one, they would give you the tax credit. But it's a state to state thing.

 

[Old_Norm]

This is a good example of a poorly-informed post. Doesn’t know the difference between Autopilot and Full Self Driving. Judgment clouded by contempt for “the madman running his mouth on Twitter”. Damn you, free speech!!! If only we could return to the days when a group of San Fransisco twenty-somethings carefully moderated what we could say so as not to offend “the experts” or the intersectional hierarchy.

I don’t do tribal. I know that’s the order of the day on message boards and writ large, but it so tedious. I don’t think any one car is clearly superior for all use cases or preferences. If somebody like the OP is trying to choose, I give them the pros and cons of each.

Free speech works both ways. Musk is allowed to spew his lunacy in public and I'm allowed to criticize his lunacy in public. And I'm certainly allowed to decide if I want a Tesla based on Musk's comments, that is my right. You seem conflicted. On the one hand you are criticizing, the above poster for saying, "... the madman running his mouth on Twitter.” accusing him of ignoring Musk's right to free speech. But you seem to ignore the poster's rights. One isn't saying, "Damn you, free speech!!!" by criticizing or making decisions based on what Musk or any one else says. You may not understand how free speech actually works. The only entity that can not limit your free speech is the Government. A company's board could fire a CEO for comments that hurt the bottom line. And Musk's comments have certainly done that.

" Tesla (TSLA) stock cut back below a key technical level early Thursday, following a four-day, almost 18% rally. The pullback also followed comments on Wednesday made on X, formerly Twitter, by Chief Executive Elon Musk in support of an antisemitic post. "
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