MME vs. Cadillac Lyriq

[azerik]

These are stacking up on the Cadi' dealer lots in Scottsdale. They might actually outnumber the MME's on Ford lots around here.

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[voxel]

These are stacking up on the Cadi' dealer lots in Scottsdale. They might actually outnumber the MME's on Ford lots around here.

Almost nobody wants the Tech or Lux/Sport 1 trims without SuperCruise and premium audio, etc. Who is paying $60K+ for such a feature-less car?

Even Lexus with the RZ450e is offering $15K in lease incentives and dealers are discounting. A $62K EV suddenly becomes low-40s. Yes the range sucks but the car is fully loaded and silent/comfortable.

 

[jmatero]

REALLY like the Lyriq and want to bite but the resale value on my Mach-E is atrocious. Never owned a car that dropped so much in 1 year. I'm getting $26000 offers from the online services and CarMax for a GTP with 12k in pristine condition. That's insane honestly and I'm better off keeping it until it explodes with that depreciation. $70k new to $26k?????? Nope.

 

[AhardFSU]

Almost nobody wants the Tech or Lux/Sport 1 trims without SuperCruise and premium audio, etc. Who is paying $60K+ for such a feature-less car?

Even Lexus with the RZ450e is offering $15K in lease incentives and dealers are discounting. A $62K EV suddenly becomes low-40s. Yes the range sucks but the car is fully loaded and silent/comfortable.

The Lexus is just too inefficient to justify even with the incentives Lexus is offering and the new "updated" version likely won't be any more efficient.

 

[jlauro]

REALLY like the Lyriq and want to bite but the resale value on my Mach-E is atrocious. Never owned a car that dropped so much in 1 year. I'm getting $26000 offers from the online services and CarMax for a GTP with 12k in pristine condition. That's insane honestly and I'm better off keeping it until it explodes with that depreciation. $70k new to $26k?????? Nope.

You might want to check Carvana. Not saying it will enough that you will want to change your mind, but I am sure it will be a lot better than that.

 

[jmatero]

You might want to check Carvana. Not saying it will enough that you will want to change your mind, but I am sure it will be a lot better than that.

Yeah, Carvana is $28k. yay. LOL

 

[voxel]

REALLY like the Lyriq and want to bite but the resale value on my Mach-E is atrocious. Never owned a car that dropped so much in 1 year. I'm getting $26000 offers from the online services and CarMax for a GTP with 12k in pristine condition. That's insane honestly and I'm better off keeping it until it explodes with that depreciation. $70k new to $26k?????? Nope.

You want one worse? My friend's 23 Audi e-tron GT was such a pile of dung with rattles and QC issues (power loss - was due to brake servo) that he decided to dump it after his lemon buyback claim was denied. 6 months ago it was $108K new and he got offers in the $50K range!!! Yes Audi is offering $30K in incentives now and even then... they sit.

 

[jmatero]

You want one worse? My friend's 23 Audi e-tron GT was such a pile of dung with rattles and QC issues (power loss - was due to brake servo) that he decided to dump it after his lemon buyback claim was denied. 6 months ago it was $108K new and he got offers in the $50K range!!! Yes Audi is offering $30K in incentives now and even then... they sit.

Yeah, and not taking a loss and then going into a LYRIQ which will likely tank as well. I'm just gonna pass at this point. I love my GT-P actually so it is what it is.

 

[voxel]

The Lexus is just too inefficient to justify even with the incentives Lexus is offering and the new "updated" version likely won't be any more efficient.

As a second or third car for the city - the range is decent - and the EV is well appointed. I test drove one last month and it makes the Mach-E look like a Toyota in comparison.

The highway range is ATROCIOUS though - along with slow DC charging.

I rarely drive my Mach-E more than 200 miles in day and rare even over 150 miles so the RZ450e would be fine in my case with a gas SUV for road trips.

 

[voxel]

Yeah, and not taking a loss and then going into a LYRIQ which will likely tank as well. I'm just gonna pass at this point. I love my GT-P actually so it is what it is.

Oh the Lyriq will tank hard. My friend with a 23 DE is thinking of upgrading to an EV9 and trade in values are $40K for a car that was $59K only 6 months ago.

The GTPE is more fun. The Lyriq is very much a boat like the Ioniq 5. Nice quiet highway cruiser but not overly engaging.

 

[AhardFSU]

As a second or third car for the city - the range is decent - and the EV is well appointed. I test drove one last month and it makes the Mach-E look like a Toyota in comparison.

The highway range is ATROCIOUS though - along with slow DC charging.

I rarely drive my Mach-E more than 200 miles in day and rare even over 150 miles so the RZ450e would be fine in my case with a gas SUV for road trips.

Yeah I read the reviews and saw the 70mph highway range tests and the results of the test were horrible. I love Lexus and I had one before I got my Mach E. So I'm really disappointed with the half-hearted effort with the RZ. And some reviews mentioned that after two DCFC sessions, the vehicle limits you to 7kw if you try to charge again within a certain time frame. The RZ just shows how much contempt Toyota has for EVs. I want to see them come back with a much better effort.

 

[jmatero]

Oh the Lyriq will tank hard. My friend with a 23 DE is thinking of upgrading to an EV9 and trade in values are $40K for a car that was $59K only 6 months ago.

Well, LYRIQ losing 30% of its value isn't as bad as my Mach-E losing 60%. But I'm sure the LYRIQ will tank too. The 23 DE was loaded and that's what people are waiting for deliveries on.

 

[jlauro]

Yeah, Carvana is $28k. yay. LOL

Wow, they quoted me $33.6k for my 21 AWD PE based on VIN. Would expect your GT-P to be closer to 40k based on that.

 

[azerik]

Yeah, Carvana is $28k. yay. LOL

Oddly mine is really close to $25k currently, with 36k on the clock.

The RZ just shows how much contempt Toyota has for EVs. I want to see them come back with a much better effort.

No kidding. It's sad.

 

[737flyer]

Might be better to buy a one year old Lyric. Good discount , let someone else take the hit.

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