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It is a shame state governments and state DOTs have been so slow to respond to the federal government grant programs for charging station planning, permitting, development, and build out. Equally shameful is the reported desire of some states and members of congress to deliberately slow roll and kill the federal grant program that provides the funding that’s not being captured by states yet.
I agree, there should not be this much problem with charging this far into the game.
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The amazing charging network is what makes people overlook the fact their door panels don’t fit. This is a car company that doesn’t make good cars. They have awesome tech (other than FSD) and great charging infrastructure. So bold move here..::
This view is outdated, in my opinion. Go look at new Tesla cars’ fit and finish. They are no different than any other car maker’s. I have a Tesla store across the street and look at them everyday.

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Did Tesla receive any of the recent tax payer funding?
 

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I would think this news will cause other EV manufacturers and charging station providers to seriously plan for alternatives, work arounds, and opportunities including bringing Tinucci and her key staff on board to drive a charging business. Interesting times ahead with a chance of turbulence.
I agree with this. Electrify America should hire Tinucci and her entire staff!
 


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Oh boy. I think this snippet from the article says it all: “To lay off that whole team just when the company has earned such a big win, when billions in public money is available for buildout (which would not have been available without industry NACS adoption, which was, again, spearheaded by Tinucci’s negotiations), and when there is a lead to be maintained, is absolutely crazy. This move, alone, would erode any confidence I had left in Tesla’s CEO – if I still had any.” ??

Not sure what Musk is thinking. The charging biz may not have a huge profit margin, but it’s a growing segment. ?‍♂?

Hopefully, Tinucci and other key peeps will be snatched up by either a charging company or an EV manufacturer in order to get some more reliable charging out there. ??
It is possible that Tesla will sell off the Supercharging business for cash. If this happens, it could continue as one or several new enterprises. Optimistically, an independent Supercharger company may benefit the consumer by further expanding its footprint and technologies. Pessimistically, if the Supercharging business stays with Tesla, it may turn in to a "dying cash cow".
 

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Did Tesla receive any of the recent tax payer funding?
They have applied for funding on various charging station plans, yes. And they cut a deal with the government separately, one has to believe tied to funding.
 

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It is a shame state governments and state DOTs have been so slow to respond to the federal government grant programs for charging station planning, permitting, development, and build out. Equally shameful is the reported desire of some states and members of congress to deliberately slow roll and kill the federal grant program that provides the funding that’s not being captured by states yet.
The problem with the state DOTs is that building chargers is outside their comfort zone. They are used to working with a limited number of customers (cities, towns, counties and state highway folk), using a limited number of known consultants, engineers and builders, all using the same standards, building similar projects, and following a rather rigid path through the bureaucracy (needed because some business people and politicians are crooks; as with substandard work being presented as "good enough for government work").
Building chargers presented a bunch of unknowns and new people. This activity should have been given to economic development departments which are used to working with different varieties of business folk. You would still need to worry about the crooks.
Some state DOTs (30?) have figured out how to deal with building chargers. If your state has not announced any contract awards for chargers then you should be writing your governor and demand to know why.
 

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I think Elon is going to try to squeeze every last cent out of Tesla in the short term then sell his shares. He just asked for a 55 billion dollar salary payout according to the article. His other option is to spin off the supercharging aspect of the business to be another company. I would have thought he would retain the staff then spin it off. The decisions made, don't make sense but neither did his purchase of Twitter.
 

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Hopefully, the companies that have deals with Tesla for access to the Supercharging network, and adapters, ensured that the deals are as ironclad as possible, knowing the erratic nature of Musk. To not have done so would be irresponsible.
 

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You also wonder if this will further impact deliveries of Supercharger adapters. Did the Supercharger team's handling of non-Tesla NACS charging somehow anger Musk? Did he suddenly decide that Superchargers weren’t going to be profitable anymore?
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on "he decided that the reason tesla sales are down is because now that everyone else can use superchargers, people would rather buy better cars/not be associated with his antics." I mean this is a guy who thinks the way to settle differences is to challenge other rich dudes to a cage match. This is not a mature adult and do you really want to buy a car from a company with that sort of leadership? Or who constantly overpromises and underdelivers?

Thus, since superchargers are now the standard and passe, he's going to build a new team to create a new (probably harebrained) charging solution (inductive roads? Inductive chargers at a truck stop?) that is tesla-exclusive and deploy that instead. With teslas still having NACS as well of course.

That or he decided the robotaxis don't need (or can't use) superchargers because getting plugged in by a robot is too hard/costly and will have to use inductive charging, so he can swap for that reason.

On the plus side, maybe one of the other brands will see the SC team as ideal and snap them all up and then we'll get real competition in the charging space.
 

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It is possible that Tesla will sell off the Supercharging business for cash. If this happens, it could continue as one or several new enterprises. Optimistically, an independent Supercharger company may benefit the consumer by further expanding its footprint and technologies. Pessimistically, if the Supercharging business stays with Tesla, it may turn in to a "dying cash cow".
While this is possible, the SC unit would be worth more with its key people in place. ?‍♂?
 

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They have applied for funding on various charging station plans, yes. And they cut a deal with the government separately, one has to believe tied to funding.
Well i hope they don't take the money and run, for us mere common folk that would result in prison time. If you are billionaire you get a pat on the back.
 

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Did Tesla receive any of the recent tax payer funding?
I do not
This kind of a post is simply uninformed. Each STATE had to send in plans, and did so. Feds approved plans. Each STATE then solicits bids for locations, and has to approve those locations. Some are moving quicker than others. Some had plans in works (O_io) and were able to use these funds. This is all coming in 2024, 2025, ...

For those that like clickbait headlines, don't go and pull YOUR state's plan and read it.
Agreed. The whole process can be complicated and certainly takes time.
 

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This view is outdated, in my opinion. Go look at new Tesla cars’ fit and finish. They are no different than any other car maker’s. I have a Tesla store across the street and look at them everyday.

The funny thing with automation is that it takes more time to calibrate, but once you dial it in, you’re golden.
Does that include the Cybertruck? Because I haven't seen or heard anything good about it.
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