The gassers looks stupid lining up to gas up

[Stang23]

Excuse me, it was a typo. None not a drop from foreign oil.

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[milepost1]

So you believe a company whose existence came about because the government sued VW for LYING about their vehicles . Cool you do you
Financial Domestic Industries profits rose 23% year to year.
Durable Goods up 18.5% year to year AND UP 100% from just before the pandemic
Retail Trade up 30.6% .
"During the surge of inflation in 2021 and 2022, price increases were outstripping cost increases by extraordinary margins, hence the spike in profits."
In this same timeline , when less people used them, EA went from giving away free charging on holidays and rates around $.38 . Now even though usage has skyrocketed EA now has no free charging and rates at $.64-71 cents
So YEAH I do believe its greed !

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Stang23]

These are the truths we hold evidence that gassers will never get free fuel EV owners do the math the research they can get free electricity for their ev easily cars are parked most of the time anyway

 

[AKgrampy]

These are the truths we hold evidence that gassers will never get free fuel EV owners do the math the research they can get free electricity for their ev easily cars are parked most of the time anyway

Maybe on an Air Force base where you do not have to pay for electricity and maybe some freebies here and there (which are becoming less and less.) Home charging is certainly cheaper, for the most part, than gas but in many instances when you have to go with DCFC the cost differential is minimal. In some cases it can even be more expensive. Nice to have the cheap electricity on Beale because it is a long drive to anywhere from base housing especially when the back gate is closed! (If they still close it - have not been there for awhile)

 

[Teslaeata]

My experience over here in UK is entirely different to yours over the pond, sounds like your DCFC charge network is just not yet good enough, maybe due to the vastly greater areas you have over there.

UK’s is really good, not cheap but good.

You only ever usually get two of the three; quick, good & cheap.

Home charging costs 13p/kWh, DCFC usually costs 60p to 70p/kWh rising 82p at some sites.

At around 30,000 miles per year I can’t do all my charging at home, dictated by my average trip mileage.

DCFC sites here are plentiful such that I NEVER have to wait, if sites are busy, the Apps are so good they enable me to plan and avoid busy stations and onto the next.

I find myself rarely stopping to charge anymore as I now charge when I stop; at 63 distance/time between tea & wee stops isn’t usually greater than a charge load of mileage.

So, for me in UK, there’s no going back to being ICE age man, net even waiting for access to Tesla charging if that is or ever will be a thing in UK.

Not gloating, just thought this maybe mildly interesting to anybody who’s interested.

 

[DugthePug Dad]

I was a gasser this weekend. I borrowed my brother’s truck to move some stuff.

$61 to fill the little Taco truck up from a quarter tank.

It’s been awhile since I’ve gassed up and had to remember how to do it ?

I was quite happy when I returned the truck and got back in my Mach.

I charged the Mach for free today from my solar panels ????

 

[Spacey]

My experience over here in UK is entirely different to yours over the pond, sounds like your DCFC charge network is just not yet good enough, maybe due to the vastly greater areas you have over there.

UK’s is really good, not cheap but good.

You only ever usually get two of the three; quick, good & cheap.

Home charging costs 13p/kWh, DCFC usually costs 60p to 70p/kWh rising 82p at some sites.

At around 30,000 miles per year I can’t do all my charging at home, dictated by my average trip mileage.

DCFC sites here are plentiful such that I NEVER have to wait, if sites are busy, the Apps are so good they enable me to plan and avoid busy stations and onto the next.

I find myself rarely stopping to charge anymore as I now charge when I stop; at 63 distance/time between tea & wee stops isn’t usually greater than a charge load of mileage.

So, for me in UK, there’s no going back to being ICE age man, net even waiting for access to Tesla charging if that is or ever will be a thing in UK.

Not gloating, just thought this maybe mildly interesting to anybody who’s interested.

I'm interested "...at 63 distance/time between tea & wee stops isn’t usually greater than a charge load of mileage." You and me both exactly.

 

[RickMachE]

Well IMO it is . Let me explain. Both chargers in my example were built in the same year on the same site . What ever one experienced as far as higher "costs" to them should have been the same for the other . It's basically a self serve kiosk that shouldn't be influenced by minimum wage hikes or fuel charges like pretty much everything else . There's no bird flu to increase kWh costs like yer favorite sandwich at KFC or eggs at the grocery store.They were built before covid and before "supply chain issues"and were built on the governments dime.
What one is paying for kWh to the electric company should be the same for the other and yet Tesla is charging $.39 or less on their side of the lot and EA is charging $.64 on theirs.
In their 2023 EPA report EA claims that there were more charging sessions per week in 2022 than there was for the entirety of 2020. When I got my first Mach the EA price was $.38 per kWh .How can you charge less when you have less usage/customers than when you have more ? They couldn't have been losing +/- $.30 on every kWh back then and still be around today .
To me the only explanation left is that they've been increasing the profit margin at our expense...in other words ...GREED
BTW Tesla is projected to make $7.6 Billion off fast charging by the end of the decade....all while charging less per charge .

So much misunderstanding and conjecture.

When charging companies start up in many states, they were required to charge by the minute until they get permission to charge by the kWh. In some states they still charge by the minute. Those states are much cheaper for our vehicles, at least up to 80%.

No one knows if Tesla and EA pay the same cost for rent, or electricity, even across the street from each other. Maybe Tesla gets a break on the volume they use at that location?

People make statements that are simply wrong. EA is more expensive at some locations than Tesla, and vice versa. Tesla sometimes charges by time of day, EA does not.

Let's pick 3 random locations.

In Holland, MI, Tesla chargers 53 cents. Nearby EA is 56 cents. Both are before discount, after discount EA is 25% less, Tesla might only be 20% less. Maybe a Tesla member can lookup the Holland location.

Salt Lake City. Tesla charges from 32 to 62 cents. But 32 cents is from midnight to 4am, take that out and it is 51 to 62 cents. EA is 56 cents.

56 cents is EA's most common charge. Some places I have seen 64 cents.

Some I have seen 28 cents a minute, like Lincoln, Nebraska. In Lincoln, Tesla charges from 31 cents to $1.69 per minute depending on how much you take. A 60% charge (205 to 80%) would slide in at 31 cents just barely, but a Lightning would kick to 63 cents, or nearly TWICE EA's rate....

My advice - stop making blanket statements that cannot be backed up with fact, and profess an understanding of financial statements that you don't read or understand completely.

 

[Space_Pony]

So much misunderstanding and conjecture.

When charging companies start up in many states, they were required to charge by the minute until they get permission to charge by the kWh. In some states they still charge by the minute. Those states are much cheaper for our vehicles, at least up to 80%.

No one knows if Tesla and EA pay the same cost for rent, or electricity, even across the street from each other. Maybe Tesla gets a break on the volume they use at that location?

People make statements that are simply wrong. EA is more expensive at some locations than Tesla, and vice versa. Tesla sometimes charges by time of day, EA does not.

Let's pick 3 random locations.

In Holland, MI, Tesla chargers 53 cents. Nearby EA is 56 cents. Both are before discount, after discount EA is 25% less, Tesla might only be 20% less. Maybe a Tesla member can lookup the Holland location.

Salt Lake City. Tesla charges from 32 to 62 cents. But 32 cents is from midnight to 4am, take that out and it is 51 to 62 cents. EA is 56 cents.

56 cents is EA's most common charge. Some places I have seen 64 cents.

Some I have seen 28 cents a minute, like Lincoln, Nebraska. In Lincoln, Tesla charges from 31 cents to $1.69 per minute depending on how much you take. A 60% charge (205 to 80%) would slide in at 31 cents just barely, but a Lightning would kick to 63 cents, or nearly TWICE EA's rate....

My advice - stop making blanket statements that cannot be backed up with fact, and profess an understanding of financial statements that you don't read or understand completely.

It would be nice if there was an app that had the current prices of DCFC stations and that app had a way to filter by prices.
I know everybody says Plugshare but nearly all Tesla prices are missing and no filtering except free.

 

[RickMachE]

It would be nice if there was an app that had the current prices of DCFC stations and that app had a way to filter by prices.
I know everybody says Plugshare but nearly all Tesla prices are missing and no filtering except free.

Here is the problem. Data has to be shared by all the companies, and that isn't going to happen. It doesn't happen with gas stations. Gas Buddy is crowd sourced, just like PlugShare.

In reality, most consumers are too lazy to price shop. Or ignorant. Witness the local Shell station charging $3.799 while Costco charges $3.149. That's 65 cents a gallon! Yet it always has cars filling up.

 

[Scottie’s MachStang]

I LOVE driving my car the the gas station, to pick up Diesel for the tractor! Always get a look and 1/3 of the time someone has “a question “. Lol.

 

[Space_Pony]

Here is the problem. Data has to be shared by all the companies, and that isn't going to happen. It doesn't happen with gas stations. Gas Buddy is crowd sourced, just like PlugShare.

In reality, most consumers are too lazy to price shop. Or ignorant. Witness the local Shell station charging $3.799 while Costco charges $3.149. That's 65 cents a gallon! Yet it always has cars filling up.

We don't have as much money down here and have price wars here. When one gas station price goes down they all do in my town. If a station doesn't go down, they have no customers. Of course the prices are on a big sign, so everybody knows. I've never seen a sign with the price of dcfc.
Gasbuddy allows customers to report prices. I haven't spent much time with Plugshare but couldn't figure out how to report current pricing. When I get my adapter, I'll try a supercharger. How do I add Tesla's current prices to Plugshare? The edit button is missing and it seems Plugshare doesn't want current Tesla prices listed.

 

[RickMachE]

We don't have as much money down here and have price wars here. When one gas station price goes down they all do in my town. If a station doesn't go down, they have no customers. Of course the prices are on a big sign, so everybody knows. I've never seen a sign with the price of dcfc.
Gasbuddy allows customers to report prices. I haven't spent much time with Plugshare but couldn't figure out how to report current pricing. When I get my adapter, I'll try a supercharger. How do I add Tesla's current prices to Plugshare? The edit button is missing and it seems Plugshare doesn't want current Tesla prices listed.

The edit button is no longer in the Android app. It was there last week.

 

[Space_Pony]

The edit button is no longer in the Android app. It was there last week.

I noticed that it is there for other stations but is missing for Tesla. Apparently Tesla does not want their prices listed on Plugshare.
So I would say that Plushare is not actually crowdsourced when some prices are missing and not reportable.

 

[Teslaeata]

I LOVE driving my car the the gas station, to pick up Diesel for the tractor! Always get a look and 1/3 of the time someone has “a question “. Lol.

Haha!

Same here, I keep a gallon of petrol & gallon diesel in my froot for cars I examine that may have had all the go-go juice sucked out of ‘em.

The ‘Stang parked on the pumps always tickles me?

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