Mach-e for Road Trips just sucks. Not even close. More expensive than gas

[Old_Norm]

That isn’t what I’ve said nor what I’m saying at all.

And no, I didn’t say that people didn’t cut back on driving when gas prices rise. (They did, a little).

My point on that subject was that people cutting back when gas prices rise doesn’t make gas prices automatically fall.

It was on the list of points as to why gas and oil don’t follow normal supply/demand rules.

These aren’t just opinions, these should be well known facts at this point.

And no, I’m not going to spend hours citing sources. You could spend years studying the oil market and still learn something new every day.

I’ve explained what I meant, explained as simply as I can that if gas demand goes down, that it WILL NOT make it cheaper to drill for oil.

If you disagree with that last sentence, we will have to just agree to disagree. Feel free to research the why behind it if you are still curious.

I never said if gas demand goes down it will make it drilling for oil cheaper. Where did you get that? I said there would be more crude oil available for other products. You went on the drilling tangent. It is pretty obvious why you aren't going to cite sources. I provided factual information that less driving means cheaper gas and you come back with, Yeah, but. Tiresome.

So answer me this and we can retire from the field. If refineries produce less gasoline as an end product will there be more crude oil available for other crude oil by byproducts?

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[bbhaag]

OMG......you two need get a room or take it to DM......

 

[Mach1E]

I never said if gas demand goes down it will make it drilling for oil cheaper. Where did you get that? I said there would be more crude oil available for other products. You went on the drilling tangent. It is pretty obvious why you aren't going to cite sources. I provided factual information that less driving means cheaper gas and you come back with, Yeah, but. Tiresome.

So answer me this and we can retire from the field. If refineries produce less gasoline as an end product will there be more crude oil available for other crude oil by byproducts?

Post #206 you said “When the number of EVs increases sufficiently the demand for gasoline will decrease. Then it will become less profitable to produce gas and limiting production will actually reduce costs.”

Then I spent the last 3 pages arguing against that point.

As far as your last question goes, the answer is “it depends.”

If the demand for gas is less, they will likely reduce the amount of oil they drill for as well as the amount of oil they refine. They have done that in the past.

Will there be “more crude oil available?” Depends what you mean. There will be more available in the ground, but less in actual barrels because they would drill less.

“Will there be more byproducts?” Depends.

If they drill and refine less, there will be less.

If they change how they refine, there could be more. It depends on which factor is larger.

 

[Old_Norm]

Post #206 you said “When the number of EVs increases sufficiently the demand for gasoline will decrease. Then it will become less profitable to produce gas and limiting production will actually reduce costs.”

Then I spent the last 3 pages arguing against that point.

As far as your last question goes, the answer is “it depends.”

If the demand for gas is less, they will likely reduce the amount of oil they drill for as well as the amount of oil they refine. They have done that in the past.

Will there be “more crude oil available?” Depends what you mean. There will be more available in the ground, but less in actual barrels because they would drill less.

“Will there be more byproducts?” Depends.

If they drill and refine less, there will be less.

If they change how they refine, there could be more. It depends on which factor is larger.

Post #206 says absolutely nothing about the cost of drilling going down. Again, that was not my point, it was yours and you spent several paragraphs misunderstanding fixed cost and the factors that cause gas prices to fluctuate. Apparently you are forming opinions on non existent points. You truncated my question and changed the meaning. I didn't ask only if there would be more crude oil available. That question came out of your imagination. I asked, " If refineries produce less gasoline as an end product will there be more crude oil available for other crude oil byproducts? Of course the answer is yes. Approximately 49% of crude oil is refined into gasoline. Crude oil can be refined without making gasoline. Doing so allows 100% of a barrel of crude to be refined into other byproducts. And I did not ask, will there be more byproducts. Another point you pulled out of thin air. Putting questions not asked in quotes does not make them real.

And I can't let your repeated error about OPEC setting prices go unchallenged.
"Crude oil is the most valuable commodity by trading turnover and one of the most widely used. In a world with many consumers and producers, a single country or organization [OPEC] can no longer "control" crude oil prices set in highly liquid global markets."
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/081315/opec-vs-us-who-controls-oil-prices.asp

 

[NerdUno]

Anybody remember what happened to gas prices during COVID when folks were driving less? Asking for a friend that is not involved in this Dog Fight.

 

[zvez]

Anybody remember what happened to gas prices during COVID when folks were driving less? Asking for a friend that is not involved in this Dog Fight.

LOL a certain individual is running for office on the claim that "gas was under $2 a gallon during my term" Failing to mention that oil and gas futures were on the brink of default and collapse and te global economy was shut down.

 

[Tampamike]

LOL a certain individual is running for office on the claim that "gas was under $2 a gallon during my term" Failing to mention that oil and gas futures were on the brink of default and collapse and te global economy was shut down.

There was a point where oil futures were negative…..

 

[areacode413]

You must have other issues if a bathroom break takes 45 minutes. ?

I pack a cooler of snacks for long road trips.

Not sure why people try to change the narrative to make frequent long stops sound like a good thing.

Did you ever stop every 2 hours for a 45 minute break when you drove a gas car long distances? EV on the highway is stopping every 2 hours.

Back in college I spent 8 hours on the highway to go back home. The trip would take 8 1/2 hours.

Exactly mid way, stopped once for food, gas and bathroom. Took 30 min total for all 3.

Same trip in an EV? Yikes. Would add 3 hours to the total trip time.

I can name that toon in 2 notes. I only stop just long enough on a roadtrip to dispose of my piss bottle and fill the tank with Dino juice. For those who identify as someone who goes on road trips with little to no breaks will never be happy with an EV unless the time to juice their car allows them arrive at their destination faster compared to fuel.

 

[Old_Norm]

OMG......you two need get a room or take it to DM......

Contact the moderators immediately and tell them that you are being forced to read posts on this forum. Oh the humanity.

 

[Gloff]

Post #206 says absolutely nothing about the cost of drilling going down. Again, that was not my point, it was yours and you spent several paragraphs misunderstanding fixed cost and the factors that cause gas prices to fluctuate. Apparently you are forming opinions on non existent points. You truncated my question and changed the meaning. I didn't ask only if there would be more crude oil available. That question came out of your imagination. I asked, " If refineries produce less gasoline as an end product will there be more crude oil available for other crude oil byproducts? Of course the answer is yes. Approximately 49% of crude oil is refined into gasoline. Crude oil can be refined without making gasoline. Doing so allows 100% of a barrel of crude to be refined into other byproducts. And I did not ask, will there be more byproducts. Another point you pulled out of thin air. Putting questions not asked in quotes does not make them real.

And I can't let your repeated error about OPEC setting prices go unchallenged.
"Crude oil is the most valuable commodity by trading turnover and one of the most widely used. In a world with many consumers and producers, a single country or organization [OPEC] can no longer "control" crude oil prices set in highly liquid global markets."
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/081315/opec-vs-us-who-controls-oil-prices.asp

True, but OPEC has a bigger influence than say one individual country or oil supplier. As such, they do have an outsized impact on the price of oil based on what volumes they decide to produce. Supply and demand play the biggest role, but to say OPEC can't control it is only partially true since they have an influence on the supply.

Contact the moderators immediately and tell them that you are being forced to read posts on this forum. Oh the humanity.

This thread has moved off track, which is why they made the comment.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Anybody remember what happened to gas prices during COVID when folks were driving less? Asking for a friend that is not involved in this Dog Fight.

I ain’t fightin’ with nobody. Well maybe with a wounded goose. Gotta get that in the barbecue. ?️?

 

[Tampamike]

Contact the moderators immediately and tell them that you are being forced to read posts on this forum. Oh the humanity.

I’m with him.

 

[Old_Norm]

I’m with him.

What did the moderator tell you?

 

[JSW]

I’ve driven EVs for the last 14 years and can relate to OP. I love EVs as commuter vehicles and strongly dislike them as road trippers.

I have cars to add value to my life (not the other way around). I want to drive at a speed and at a cabin temperature that reflects the value I place on my time and my comfort. I don’t want to wait 20 or 30 minutes for a charge, and really don’t want to research whether I need to make 3 stops at reliable stations vs 2 at lower rated ones, etc.

I’ll always have at least one EV for all our local needs, and I’ll always have at least one ice vehicle for road trips. I thought once I retired I’d be more tolerant and patient with my EV. Turns out to be the opposite, and I place even more value on comfort and convenience now.

But god bless y’all who are willing to use your EV for all purposes - I suspect change will be lead from your experiences.

 

[Tampamike]

What did the moderator tell you?

He said you two need to get a room

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