New MME Owner and I have a few general questions

[Byrus]

Hi. I just got my new MME and I've read through the forums and a number of Google searches but have the following questions. Any help is appreciated!

1) I set up the Phone as a key (I'm guessing that is what everyone here is shortcutting as PAAK) and every 2 minutes I get a notification that my phone is connected or phone is trying to connect. I have a Samsung S 21. Is that normal? It's so annoying that I might just disconnect the phone completely from the car. If it's not normal, any suggestions?

2) Does using the 1 pedal driving return any significant energy to the battery? Just curious.

3) I charged the car at home using a Level 2 charger and the FordPass app said I got 9 kw/hr. Is that what I should generally be getting.
the charge is hardwired to 60 AMP.

Thanks again and I look forward to conversing with you all!

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[silverelan]

Hey, congrats on the new car and welcome to the forum!

1) Sorry, I can't help you there. I have had the car since 2021 and just use the FOB.

2) 1PD returns a significant amount of energy back to the battery, but only in the right type of driving. City driving with a lot of stop and go is where 1PD shines and you'll see the most benefit. Freeway driving is pretty irrelevant when it comes one pedal driving.

3) The car has a 48A onboard charger which means that it'll top out at 10-11kW on a 60A charger. Check your wallcharger's settings to make sure that it's maxed out.

 

[flapjake314]

#1 - if you long press the notification in your notification bar it'll open up the notification settings, you can make it so it is either silent (still shows up there but doesn't buzz your phone or anything) or completely gone (never notifies you). i do silent, but it'd be fine to completely hide it too i think, i just like seeing the "walk away lock" notification which you'd also lose

#2 - yes, but turning off 1PD still uses regen, it's just a preference of whether you want to use 1 pedal or 2 to slow down your car, doesn't change the regen at all

#3 - fordpass is showing what ends up at your car, there is 10-15% loss between the charger and the car, 9 doesn't sound out of range to me, maybe it should be 10 instead of 9 but with rounding etc who knows... also if you're reading 60A because your breaker is 60A then your charger is only giving you 48A anyway, code only allows for use of 80% of the breaker size...

 

[Byrus]

Thanks for the quick rsponses!

 

[dbsb3233]

I'll stress #2 a little more. Regen recapture makes no difference if you use 1PD or 2PD. The amount of regen energy recaptured is the same either way because the brake pedal uses regen to slow the car too. Both use regen first, and only add friction braking if slowing down faster than max regen.

 

[johnnycombo]

1. PAAK uses Bluetooth and WiFi you should check that both are connected .
2. The age old argument ! I personally like one pedal , you do have to get used to useing it in a smooth manner or your passengers will get sea sick. When I’m driving through town I also like the extra control of pushing the “L” button.
3. Here’s the formulas: breaker amperage X .8= continuous charging amperage , kilowatts / volts = amperage

It looks like you are charging around 40 amps, that’s a respectable overnight charge rate. My ChargePoint will charge at 48 amps, but just for the sake of wear and tear, I have it set to 40amps. I also clean my plug and port on a regular basis.
If you haven’t already go to Ford.com and set up an account with your Vin, you’ll find everything you need to know.

 

[pikepilot]

I"m hardwired on a 60 amp breaker. If I set the charger to 48A my Ford charge log shows 11kw, when I reduce it 40A it shows 9kw, 32A-7kw.

 

[RickMachE]

48 x 240 x 93% (7% loss). FordPass shows truncated number. Run for 1/2 hr or more, take total energy divided by time run x 60 and you have your answer.

Some homes have slightly under 240.

 

[Byrus]

Thanks all. So is there any benefit to the 1 pedal driving over the 2 pedal? Other than less wear and tear on the brakes?

 

[4sallypat]

Thanks all. So is there any benefit to the 1 pedal driving over the 2 pedal? Other than less wear and tear on the brakes?

Driving style & muscle memory would be the only reason to use one or the other.

Tesla drivers seem to get used to it very quickly (1PD only).

Wife did not like 1PD either when we test drove a '24 Tesla Highlander - she said it makes her nauseous due to the aggressive regen.
I personally don't like 1PD as it interferes with my work vehicles that don't have 1PD.

And I have been driving 2PD and 3PD for over 40 years so it's a muscle memory effect and can't teach a new dog new tricks....

 

[dbsb3233]

Thanks all. So is there any benefit to the 1 pedal driving over the 2 pedal? Other than less wear and tear on the brakes?

There's no extra wear and tear on the brake pads either. Again, how the car internally produces the slow-down works exactly the same way whether in 1PD or 2PD (uses regen first, and only adds on the friction breaks if trying to slow down faster than where regen max's out).

The only difference between 1PD and 2PD is how the driver triggers the slowing. The brake pedal is always active, in either mode. 1PD simply offers that same brake pedal action to the accelerator pedal as a lift-up action.

Think of it as just having 2 different ways to trigger the exact same function, like opening the frunk from the lever release or the door keypad. The only difference is how the driver chooses to trigger it.

 

[Byrus]

There's no extra wear and tear on the brake pads either. Again, how the car internally produces the slow-down works exactly the same way whether in 1PD or 2PD (uses regen first, and only adds on the friction breaks if trying to slow down faster than where regen max's out).

The only difference between 1PD and 2PD is how the driver triggers the slowing. The brake pedal is always active, in either mode. 1PD simply offers that same brake pedal action to the accelerator pedal as a lift-up action.

Think of it as just having 2 different ways to trigger the exact same function, like opening the frunk from the lever release or the door keypad. The only difference is how the driver chooses to trigger it.

Wow. Interesting. Thanks.

 

[dbsb3233]

Wow. Interesting. Thanks.

I think it surprised us all at the beginning that the brake pedal wasn't just standard friction braking like it is in a gas car. (It only adds that if it needs more than regen can provide.)

Note however that I was only talking about how the car effectuates the slowing. That works the same no matter how it's triggered. But the driving experience to trigger the amount of slowing from just lifting up on the accelerator pedal has different levels than can be set. Each of the 3 drive modes applies a different lift-up slowing level. As does "L" gear. Just have to play with them all to see what you like best.

Many people love 1PD, but I'm not fond of it. My favorite combo is 2PD in Whisper + L gear. Whisper offers the widest accelerator pedal range plus the softest steering wheel feel, but no lift-up slowing. But I like fairly strong lift-up slowing too so I just put it in L gear 100% of the time.

 

[Art]

Hi. I just got my new MME and I've read through the forums and a number of Google searches but have the following questions. Any help is appreciated!

1) I set up the Phone as a key (I'm guessing that is what everyone here is shortcutting as PAAK) and every 2 minutes I get a notification that my phone is connected or phone is trying to connect. I have a Samsung S 21. Is that normal? It's so annoying that I might just disconnect the phone completely from the car. If it's not normal, any suggestions?

2) Does using the 1 pedal driving return any significant energy to the battery? Just curious.

3) I charged the car at home using a Level 2 charger and the FordPass app said I got 9 kw/hr. Is that what I should generally be getting.
the charge is hardwired to 60 AMP.

Thanks again and I look forward to conversing with you all!

• When I bought my 2021 MME, I received one FOB and I decided to set-up my phone for the second key. That didn’t work so well. The phone has its own updates and the car has its own updates and there isn’t any cooperation between the two. So, I bought a second FOB. Ford decided that the phone used as a key had its problems, so they issued a second FOB and, in my case, sent me a check returning what I spent. Since then I don’t rely on the phone because the FOB doesn’t have updates.
• I always use 1-pedal because once you get used to it, you’ll consider it a great option. I can go on a shopping trip and return without using the friction brakes. In a panic stop, when you get off the accelerator, the car brakes before you foot hits the brake pedal.
• I used the Ford supplied cable with a 50-amp breaker and my car charged 20 miles per hour. I then added a Grizzl-E and went to 35 plus miles per hour with the same breaker and new receptacle.

 

[dbsb3233]

I always use 1-pedal because once you get used to it, you’ll consider it a great option. I can go on a shopping trip and return without using the friction brakes. In a panic stop, when you get off the accelerator, the car brakes before you foot hits the brake pedal.

Just a slight nitpick here... That should read "go on a shopping trip and return without using the friction brakes brake pedal".

1PD lift-up uses regen first and then the friction brakes for the final 3 MPH or so to do the final stop and hold the car in place. But the brake pedal does the exact same thing (unless you smash it to do a hard stop that exceeds max regen).

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