5 Ghz Wifi Capable?

[Snakebitten]

I'm surprised you are getting any OTA over an Ethernet/Wi-Fi network.
I have only seen one OTA flagged by Ford for delivery over Wifi, and that was a config-only edit of the TCU module to fix a bug that crippled the LTE modem in the vehicle. Therefore it was impossible to deliver the update via cellular.

I think PTS even shows if/when any module update is flagged as Wifi eligible, and it is extremely rare for that attribute to be "Yes".

I can't explain how/why you would be able to download an OTA Payload via Wifi. That's amazing!

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[AtomicInternet]

While it is true that OTAs will only come when your VIN group is up for an OTA, a lot of us have logs showing kilobytes and megabytes of upstream travel over wireless, but nothing downstream for our cars. Your car may have been on WiFi, but it's likely that the downloads took place over the car's cellular connection. ??

Likewise, there are updates that trigger other updates. This is commonly seen in FDRS updates where a GWM update may trigger a TCU update. If OTAs were queued out of sequence for your car, it's quite possible that the update queued on Monday would be triggered when the update queued on Thursday was installed. ?‍?

I had 3 updates in a row while connected to Wifi.

1 completed, then refreshed.
A second downloaded and I clicked "update now"
A third downloaded and I clicked "update now"

All the while connected to Wifi.

To be fair, I'm only using the Wifi icon as indicator they downloaded over Wifi (I'll get router logs next time) but I did not once have to turn off Wifi to get the subsequent updates.

So turning on Wifi will not eliminate your eligibility to get OTA updates. You can feel free to argue the actual network interface the update travelled through, but stop staying you have to have Wifi turned off to get updates. It's not true. I'm honestly shocked you would think Ford advertises to stay connected to Wifi only to have their OTA updates denied.

You are aware both network connections can pull data simultaneously, right?

 

[HuntingPudel]

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So turning on Wifi will not eliminate your eligibility to get OTA updates. You can feel free to argue the actual network interface the update travelled through, but stop staying you have to have Wifi turned off to get updates. It's not true.

I don't think any one here said that WiFi needs to be turned off to get OTAs. It certainly does not. Some of Ford's customer service folks have been reported to have offered that "advice," but that is totally untrue, as is the advice that some of Ford's Customer Service Reps have reportedly offered saying that WiFi must be connected to receive updates. Both are untrue since OTAs come over the cellular connection. ?‍?

 

[VaporTrails]

Well, I will admit I’m a romantic. And my wife and I loved that story UP I saw it on TikTok and it just looks so perfect up there and my wife loves it 50 years together.?

So…..trip to Paradise Falls imminent then? Congrats on 50!

 

[AtomicInternet]

I don't think any one here said that WiFi needs to be turned off to get OTAs. It certainly does not. Some of Ford's customer service folks have been reported to have offered that "advice," but that is totally untrue, as is the advice that some of Ford's Customer Service Reps have reportedly offered saying that WiFi must be connected to receive updates. Both are untrue since OTAs come over the cellular connection. ?‍?

I disagree, but until I have the logs to prove it I can't claim it isn't true. A software engineer completely ignoring a faster, unmetered data connection for update transfers makes zero sense. If we bring infosec or data sniffing security into the conversation then I can see how that might be a consideration since you can't sniff the 4G connection (since it's private) so I could see that as a possibility if they want to obscure what server(s) are contacted for updates.

As long as we can agree disabling Wifi is not required for OTA updates to get downloaded then I'll just wait for my next update to verify where it came from. I can't rule out Ford inefficiencies or perceived security threats.

 

[azerik]

You mean Ford completely ignoring the fact that they’ve had Wi-Fi available for all of their updatable cars, yet have not been sending updates to those cars, not just this car but all of the cars over wifi for a decade, seems illogical? Have you not paid attention to ‘soon’? If it was a delivery issue wouldn’t Wi-Fi have solved that in the last, 10 years? Should t we still be able to just download a package over WiFi then?
I’ll pull the last years worth of data over my network for my MME, it’s astounding as it’s about 500:1 up/down MB.
We don’t need to sniff the LTE, just look at FDRS packages and tell me where they managed to jamb 500 megs update into 5 megs.
(I guess when I got tired of watching it constantly connect and disconnect I removed the wifi around December last year, but it’s still connecting and sends/ receives 60 to 100 bytes a week, somehow.) I know the car registers as two clients with 2 MAC addresses)

 

[Jerrytball]

Right. BT is the fail over if CarPlay fails. Well it's supposed to fail over, usually it just doesn't connect to CarPlay and will leave you in BT. You'll see the phone listed on the bottom tiles, not CarPlay.

I had the weirdest thing today I left the house, had been on Wi-Fi all day in the house and later on I was trying to open up one of my apps, and it wouldn’t open, so I tried to get on the Internet it said 5G bunch of bars and I couldn’t get on the Internet so Apple carplay had the Waze app like it always does, but it was saying off-line maps so I went ahead and did a hard restart on my iPhone, and it was so funny when it came back up it says turn on Wi-Fi and CarPlay to enable to use on your Mach e! I remember when we were talking about this where Wi-Fi was disabled when you were in the car so it was just a weird confusing message but everything started working as normal.

 

[azerik]

It's also kinda a pile that Apple doesn't complete setting up Carplay with the MME without a reboot (which really doesn't do anything, it's already set up, that popup was lost somewhere in the connection process) I've added and removed my phone(S) more than I have ever cared to with virtually nothing changing other than the slight speed at which Sync connects to CP. The fastest way I've gotten it work and the most reliably so far was to remove the MME from the house WIFI. Because I have fast roaming and minimum RSSI's on my 3 AP's I pass getting in the car my phone roams from my master bedroom, to my office to the garage AP. It's usually latching to the garage AP as I'm getting in the car. As I back out CP is trying to make it's connections and the phone is leaving the garage AP and looking for trouble, I mean a signal. 3 Houses down the road CP is connected to the MME, but my phone is going from 5gtz wifi, to LTE to the 5g tower. It's a mess where I live, but AT&T was even worse.

There's another issue with the MME where CP doesn't disconnect and so in the house many of us have been sitting without an actual connection on our phones. It should at least be on cellular but really it's just in this limbo. It's much less now than last year but i still have it happen once in a blue moon.

 

[ThunderClap]

@AtomicInternet I believe I got proof to say OtAs can be downloaded on wifi.
My car updated to OtA 6.14 today!

@Snakebitten @azerik @JM22681 @HuntingPudel

 

[azerik]

I'm not sure you're seeing download, rather, upload.

So the really interesting thing about my logs are I removed both those SSID's from the cars wifi back in March or so. And wifi is off in the car.

So I'll turn it back on now and watch what happens (and wouldn't you know, I walk in the house after turning wifi back on in the car and my phone stays connected to car play in the MME even though the car is off in the garage)

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.

Well, that's odd my car is shoveling data out to somewhere. Not downloading to shipping. I'm also probably bet I 'get' an update though most likely this is pre-install logs or config data, driving data or something but I doubt it's uploading OTA's.
And it stopped at 359MB, looks like what you saw.

All DNS goes to:

It's now shipped out a little over 450MB (now 580MB) But downloaded about 6MB.
(I know says 2018 Focus, that was just for the icon in Unifi)

 

[ThunderClap]

I'm not sure you're seeing download, rather, upload

No, I believe i have filtered out download data stats specific to Mach E for only today.

 

[azerik]

To circle way back around on this, yes it's 5ghz capable, though it doesn't seem to like it it connects just a hair faster than 2.4's gtz max. But remember if your AP is going through a wall or several 2.4 goes through better. I have a AP just in front of the hood in the garage on the ceiling and this is my best. (I'm thinking the antenna is in the sharkfin so it's ~10 ft from the AP.

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