$50K to replace 2017 Ionic battery

[Guss-E 2021]

Im with you . I thought about replacing the battery when I was researching the car . I figured by the time that that's necessary the batteries would be cheaper , smaller and probably charge faster . In 10-12 years a 500 mile battery might fit in the same space as our 200-300 mile ones .
Time will tell and we'll all find out together .

Word.

Also, think about it. How saleable a feature is it to say your BEV's battery pack is easy and cost effective to repair? There is actually incentive to make that a reality. Apparently, for some weird reason, recycled packs perform better than new ones (head scratcher). I really think automakers and battery storage people would very much like our batteries back when we are done with them. I can see a decent trade-in system evolving.

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[SWO]

Geez, that should be illegal. I get that some parts are going to be non-serviceable for safety reasons or whatever, don't reuse an airbag, but the battery pack absolutely needs to be easy to repair and recycle by the appropriate parties.

Agree. I feel like Tesla takes a much more "disposable approach" (I'm sure they would say "production efficient") to their cars (which is reflected in insurance costs). Worse, I think other makes are mimicking them in a race to the bottom.

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2022/07/tesla-4680-structural-pack-cement-like-foam.html

 

[Mach1E]

Im with you . I thought about replacing the battery when I was researching the car . I figured by the time that that's necessary the batteries would be cheaper , smaller and probably charge faster . In 10-12 years a 500 mile battery might fit in the same space as our 200-300 mile ones .
Time will tell and we'll all find out together .

Even if they are (cheaper, smaller and charge faster) there is a 0.1% chance you would put the better battery in a 10-12 yr old car.

Ever seen anyone this year retro-fit a 2023 engine in a used 2011 car because it’s more efficient?

Heck. Anyone put a 2023 Model S battery in a 2013 Model S?

Highly unlikely. And the 2023 battery is pretty much the same tech as 2013.

I think the hopes that a miracle battery is right around the corner are a pipe dream. And even if it does come, you’re not gonna put it in an old car. You’ll buy the new one.

 

[SWO]

Even if they are (cheaper, smaller and charge faster) there is a 0.1% chance you would put the better battery in a 10-12 yr old car.

Ever seen anyone this year retro-fit a 2023 engine in a used 2011 car because it’s more efficient?

Heck. Anyone put a 2023 Model S battery in a 2013 Model S?

Highly unlikely. And the 2023 battery is pretty much the same tech as 2013.

I think the hopes that a miracle battery is right around the corner are a pipe dream. And even if it does come, you’re not gonna put it in an old car. You’ll buy the new one.

Ford sells kits complete with wiring harnesses and a PCM to put in any-year car. You could (and people do) put a 5.0 Coyote engine with a 10spd transmission in a classic car. They're all doing it for reliability or power though, not so much efficiency.

As for Tesla, I don't disagree but they are also very anti-right to repair. OTOH, people are retrofitting bigger or later model batteries into Nissan Leafs (Leaves?), for one example.

The more Mach-Es Ford sells, the more hopeful I am that there's a market geared towards keeping them running a decade from now.

 

[Mach1E]

Ford sells kits complete with wiring harnesses and a PCM to put in any-year car. You could (and people do) put a 5.0 Coyote engine with a 10spd transmission in a classic car. They're all doing it for reliability or power though, not so much efficiency.

As for Tesla, I don't disagree but they are also very anti-right to repair. OTOH, people are retrofitting bigger or later model batteries into Nissan Leafs (Leaves?), for one example.

The more Mach-Es Ford sells, the more hopeful I am that there's a market geared towards keeping them running a decade from now.

Classics happen, but again, the 10 year old car? Gonna be a seriously rare situation. My 69 Mustang has a 1969 motor in it. I would love to do a restorod, but it’s cost prohibitive.

Either way, I wouldn’t bet nor plan on it.

The 99% use case is- drive it until it’s cost prohibitive to fix it, then it goes to the junkyard.

 

[buzznwood]

The more Mach-Es Ford sells, the more hopeful I am that there's a market geared towards keeping them running a decade from now.

The mach-e has an 8 year battery warranty, at some point in x years time a mach-e 2.0 will arrive on GE2 at which point it may use different battery tech / modules, however they will still need to cover 8 years worth of the last gen I doubt Ford is going to stick a load of old mach-e 1.0 battery packs on a shelf and have them sitting around in a warehouse gathering dust for up to 8 years just in case so there will be ways they can be refurbished.

A BEV is still a niche product when taken into account the % of total vehicles out there, so there isn't much in the way of 3rd party repair options in time that should improve.

 

[AngryMan]

Even if they are (cheaper, smaller and charge faster) there is a 0.1% chance you would put the better battery in a 10-12 yr old car.

Ever seen anyone this year retro-fit a 2023 engine in a used 2011 car because it’s more efficient?

Heck. Anyone put a 2023 Model S battery in a 2013 Model S?

Highly unlikely. And the 2023 battery is pretty much the same tech as 2013.

I think the hopes that a miracle battery is right around the corner are a pipe dream. And even if it does come, you’re not gonna put it in an old car. You’ll buy the new one.

So IF my car is immaculate and drives like a dream BUT the battery pack fails Ill drop $45000-$60,000 on a new one instead of $15000-20000 on a new battery pack ?
If companies go the subscription route for basic items in the future but I can skip all that BS be just dropping in a new pack you think Ill just opt for that instead of keeping my car where that's all bought and paid for .
Just curious ...WHY do people buy USED instead of new ? The answer is that it's less expensive to do so ....just like replacing a battery pack instead of buying a new car .
23 Selects have more range than the 21s do . Chevy just dropped in better batteries into the Bolts .
Both of those things happened over a 2-3 year period.
EVERY day there seems to be an announcement about a tweak or outright new battery tech.
IF it's possible and the car is holding up I'll keep more of my money by doing the battery swap .... not a vehicle swap

 

[sookestang]

A replacement engine is $5K. Not $50K.

I'm unsure of where you're seeing "mostly scare tactic BS". This case was literally investigated and reported by television media and the quoted, documented repair estimate was literally right there.

What will be the out-of-warranty replacement cost of the Mach E battery? That's a question long-term owners should be asking after learning of a 6 year old car that is junk when the battery fails.

And what will the technology be in 10 years, what advancements? And at what cost? I highly, highly doubt that the cost of a new battery for a Mach E in 10 years will be anywhere close to what it may be right now.

As technology advances, the costs go down.

I live in a Region where snow rarely happens and my car doesn't rust out. The opportunity to keep a car operational for decades exists here. And since an EV tends to have less moving parts, it;s the battery that is the most expensive thing to maintain.

If, after 200,000 miles my battery completely fails, and individiual packs cannot just be replaced for far cheaper, what would that cost for a battery replacement? $10k? More? I don't know. but it would be FAR cheaper to replace the battery than to buy a whole new car, especially if my car is paid off. That would offer another 200,000 miles on the vehicle with general maintance.

Most people don't want to hold onto a vehicle or think about holding onto a vehicle for decades, but if they are afforded that, why not?

 

[sookestang]

Even if they are (cheaper, smaller and charge faster) there is a 0.1% chance you would put the better battery in a 10-12 yr old car.

Ever seen anyone this year retro-fit a 2023 engine in a used 2011 car because it’s more efficient?

Heck. Anyone put a 2023 Model S battery in a 2013 Model S?

Highly unlikely. And the 2023 battery is pretty much the same tech as 2013.

I think the hopes that a miracle battery is right around the corner are a pipe dream. And even if it does come, you’re not gonna put it in an old car. You’ll buy the new one.

0.1% chance? Where did that stat come from. I would certainly put a new battery in if that extends my car by another 200,000 miles since there are much less moving parts in an EV. We can;t compare an engine replacement in an ICE because not only may that fail, but there is a whole bunch of other parts that frequently fail in an aging ICE car that will continue to fail as the car continues to age costing way more over time.

There will be non-EOM batteries that will be developed, and likely cheaper, for EV's in the future. What if I want to buy company "A" brand battery because it offers better components or does a thing better? If my warranty for my Ford battery has expired there is nothing preventing me from using another companies battery.

Unless my car is rusted out and not damaged significantly, I hope to have this car for decades to come.

 

[BMT1071]

Interesting coincidence that I was talking with a colleague today and he mentioned that he recently received a quote from a Ford dealer to replace the 2.7 Ecoboost engine in his F-150. $18,500.

 

[Mach1E]

So IF my car is immaculate and drives like a dream BUT the battery pack fails Ill drop $45000-$60,000 on a new one instead of $15000-20000 on a new battery pack ?
If companies go the subscription route for basic items in the future but I can skip all that BS be just dropping in a new pack you think Ill just opt for that instead of keeping my car where that's all bought and paid for .
Just curious ...WHY do people buy USED instead of new ? The answer is that it's less expensive to do so ....just like replacing a battery pack instead of buying a new car .
23 Selects have more range than the 21s do . Chevy just dropped in better batteries into the Bolts .
Both of those things happened over a 2-3 year period.
EVERY day there seems to be an announcement about a tweak or outright new battery tech.
IF it's possible and the car is holding up I'll keep more of my money by doing the battery swap .... not a vehicle swap

The answer to your first question is YES (or you buy another used one).

People rarely will replace the drivetrain on a car that old.

Why? Because it’s a poor financial decision.

It’s called “putting more money in a car than it’s worth.”

Would you spend $15-20k to replace the battery in a used Nissan Leaf or pay $5k to buy another used Nissan Leaf with a working battery?

Seems like a no brainer on the $5k purchase.

 

[Mach1E]

0.1% chance? Where did that stat come from. I would certainly put a new battery in if that extends my car by another 200,000 miles since there are much less moving parts in an EV. We can;t compare an engine replacement in an ICE because not only may that fail, but there is a whole bunch of other parts that frequently fail in an aging ICE car that will continue to fail as the car continues to age costing way more over time.

There will be non-EOM batteries that will be developed, and likely cheaper, for EV's in the future. What if I want to buy company "A" brand battery because it offers better components or does a thing better? If my warranty for my Ford battery has expired there is nothing preventing me from using another companies battery.

Unless my car is rusted out and not damaged significantly, I hope to have this car for decades to come.

Obviously a made up stat, but I may as well have said 0.

Why?

See above post about the used Nissan Leaf.

Maybe there is 0.1% of the population dumb enough to pay $20k to fix a car worth $5k, but there shouldn’t be. ?

 

[sookestang]

Obviously a made up stat, but I may as well have said 0.

Why?

See above post about the used Nissan Leaf.

Maybe there is 0.1% of the population dumb enough to pay $20k to fix a car worth $5k, but there shouldn’t be. ?

I understand my approach may not be for everyone, but $20k (even if that was the cost for a complete new battery in 10 years) is likely $20k cheaper than buying a new car. Granted some may want the new tech and features, understandably.
I’ll see what’s out there if and when it happens.

 

[Mach1E]

I understand my approach may not be for everyone, but $20k (even if that was the cost for a complete new battery in 10 years) is likely $20k cheaper than buying a new car. Granted some may want the new tech and features, understandably.
I’ll see what’s out there if and when it happens.

You can spend your money how you like if this happens, but I certainly wouldn’t recommend it.

There is good reason you never see a used 2012 car for sale with a 2023 drivetrain in it.

If the 2012 motor completely dies, it’s going to the junkyard.

Electric cars will age just like gas cars. Sure we have “less moving parts,” but that only applies todo the drivetrain.

Other than that, we have all the same crap that gets old and breaks. Suspension, brakes, a/c, power everything……. It’s gonna wear out too.

And because of the added mass, some of it will wear much more quickly.

 

[onepunch]

The answer to your first question is YES (or you buy another used one).

People rarely will replace the drivetrain on a car that old.

Why? Because it’s a poor financial decision.

It’s called “putting more money in a car than it’s worth.”

Would you spend $15-20k to replace the battery in a used Nissan Leaf or pay $5k to buy another used Nissan Leaf with a working battery?

Seems like a no brainer on the $5k purchase.

That depends on the age and mileage of the $5k car. It could be nearing the end of its life cycle no different than the car with the bad battery.

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