Apple Maps Preconditioning

[raijinmach]

Apple Maps does a great job with EV route planning on the Ford Mustang Mach-E, but there’s still a key feature missing compared to Android Auto. Android Auto not only plans EV routes, it also preconditions the battery before charging stops—something CarPlay does not currently support.

This isn’t something Ford (or other automakers) can fix—it’s up to Apple. Adding EV battery preconditioning would make CarPlay’s EV routing far more useful and competitive.

If you agree this is an important feature, please upvote and help bring more visibility to Ford and Apple so they prioritize adding it in future updates.

How can you tell Android Auto does this? Wouldn't this just be a feature of the car, not the app you're using?

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[Aahhcc11]

This is not related to preconditioning, but it is related to Apple Maps and charging. I find that way too often, if I have a route planned in Apple Maps, and I add a stop even, if it’s five minutes away, and my battery is 70% or greater, that Apple Maps decides to add a charging stop.

The other day I was heading home (8 minutes away) and tried to add a stop but accidentally pressed “home” again, and it added the charging stop, and I had 74% in my battery. SMH.

 

[MacherAWD]

Y'all could solve this by walking away from apple. Buy a pixel for hundreds less, buy an android tablet for hundreds less. Unless you work in graphic design and need an apple you are just hampering yourself.

Or keep paying a premium for less service.

This isn't 2010, Apple products aren't doing anything the competition can't.

 

[clarkston]

If you want to turn this into a phone platform debate, be my guest. However…

 

[music_cities]

This is not related to preconditioning, but it is related to Apple Maps and charging. I find that way too often, if I have a route planned in Apple Maps, and I add a stop even, if it’s five minutes away, and my battery is 70% or greater, that Apple Maps decides to add a charging stop.

The other day I was heading home (8 minutes away) and tried to add a stop but accidentally pressed “home” again, and it added the charging stop, and I had 74% in my battery. SMH.

There was a post somewhere on this forum recently that showed that although *default* route in Apple Maps often includes an extra charging stop, you can usually pick one of the alternative routes suggested and then not charge.

That being said, if one wants good on-the-fly charging suggestions on a long trip, one should use ABRP. If one is willing to pick their charging stops and route in advance (using assorted tools, perhaps including Apple Maps, ABRP, and of course PlugShare), then one can use Connected Navigation (or I suppose some other navigation app) to navigate to a Pre-Saved charging location. I really can't recommend using Google Maps nor Apple Maps to pick charging locations "on the fly".

 

[ChrisO]

This is not related to preconditioning, but it is related to Apple Maps and charging. I find that way too often, if I have a route planned in Apple Maps, and I add a stop even, if it’s five minutes away, and my battery is 70% or greater, that Apple Maps decides to add a charging stop.

The other day I was heading home (8 minutes away) and tried to add a stop but accidentally pressed “home” again, and it added the charging stop, and I had 74% in my battery. SMH.

Sounds like a bug in car play to me. From what I understand car play does know the SOC and even given wildly wrong kWh per mile it should know that a charge isn’t needed.

 

[moog]

Sure Apple could remedy this (and will have to at some point as EV’s become more popular) but as said before there is a SIMPLE solution:

Ford can fix this with a on demand preconditioning option.

Ford instead chooses not to do this , and continues to make preconditioning a mystery shrouded in a mystery.

This has been a demand by owners for a long time now. Stop ignoring your customers and make on demand preconditioning available!!!!

 

[jeng]

Y'all could solve this by walking away from apple. Buy a pixel for hundreds less, buy an android tablet for hundreds less. Unless you work in graphic design and need an apple you are just hampering yourself.

Or keep paying a premium for less service.

This isn't 2010, Apple products aren't doing anything the competition can't.

Let’s try to stay on topic and not try to start a OS platform flame war.

 

[ChrisO]

Blame Apple. Based on their developer documentation, I see nothing that will pass the POI type to the car.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/carplay/cptravelestimates

Apple needs to create something like "POI_type_is_charger" true/false so the car can know if it's navigating to a charger or not.

Please share your feedback with Apple: https://www.apple.com/feedback/

What “category“ are people selecting since I notice that car play isn’t on their list. It seems like it is different than just maps.

 

[jeng]

Does pre-conditioning really save any time? I don’t have any experiential evidence to introduce but it seems to me it’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. You’re driving down the road and the battery heater has to use electrons from the battery to heat the battery. You arrive at the charger with less electrons than if it didn’t heat the battery thus requiring longer to charge to replenish the greater amount of lost electrons. If you don’t pre-condition, you arrive at the charger with more electrons and a cold battery requiring the charger to supply the electrons to first heat the battery. As I see it, the amount of electrons needed for heat and charge is the same no matter where it comes from or in what order they’re produced. So, I’m thinking the DCFC produces those electrons faster than the battery does for the heat portion and thus the net result is a faster charge without pre-conditioning.

Am I crazy? Or has this been proven that pre-conditioning leads to a faster charge?

Just spitballin’.

Sorry to pile on but preconditioning does help especially during cold weather. Back when Apple Map’s EV routing first came out, I was also doing a lot of long distance traveling. When I was using Apple Maps, I noticed that the charging speed were pretty low. Like it was struggling to get to 100 kw at first plug in. When I used Ford’s native nav on the next trip, charging speeds shot up to 160 kw on initial plugin.

So preconditioning support in Apple Maps would be great. However a manual preconditioning button would also be good for those edge cases or if you don’t need navigation to where you are going. And I think we can all agree that Ford needs to indicate when preconditioning is active as well.

 

[ChrisO]

I’m wondering what is the best way to provide feedback to Ford? When I first got my Mach-E I used the feedback in the car.

Whereas for Car Play it is at least partially shared between Apple and Ford it seems to me for things like a manual pre-conditioning button and a clear indication that pre-conditioning is happening would be something that everyone would vote for if they just knew the best way to do that.

 

[Tampamike]

Sorry to pile on but preconditioning does help especially during cold weather. Back when Apple Map’s EV routing first came out, I was also doing a lot of long distance traveling. When I was using Apple Maps, I noticed that the charging speed were pretty low. Like it was struggling to get to 100 kw at first plug in. When I used Ford’s native nav on the next trip, charging speeds shot up to 160 kw on initial plugin.

So preconditioning support in Apple Maps would be great. However a manual preconditioning button would also be good for those edge cases or if you don’t need navigation to where you are going. And I think we can all agree that Ford needs to indicate when preconditioning is active as well.

Right, I know HOW it works, just wasn’t convinced it actually saved any time. If you’re using up battery to heat the battery then you’re arriving at the charger at a lower state of charge than if you hadn’t heated the battery, thus requiring a longer charge time to replace that extra energy expended for heat. So, does it take longer to recharge that extra amount of energy for heat used on the drive in to the charger or to heat up the battery from the DCFC at the DCFC? @Mach-Lee explained that the heating at the DCFC takes longer than the recharge of the energy expended en route for pre-conditioning.

 

[dan_meh]

Blame Apple. Based on their developer documentation, I see nothing that will pass the POI type to the car.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/carplay/cptravelestimates

Apple needs to create something like "POI_type_is_charger" true/false so the car can know if it's navigating to a charger or not.

Please share your feedback with Apple: https://www.apple.com/feedback/

Done

 

[cheerioboy26]

How can you tell Android Auto does this? Wouldn't this just be a feature of the car, not the app you're using?

You can't tell unless you hook up an OBD reader, but Ford announced it

https://www.ford.com/support/how-to...-mustang-mach-e-battery-for-dc-fast-charging/

 

[Neil22]

Y'all could solve this by walking away from apple. Buy a pixel for hundreds less, buy an android tablet for hundreds less. Unless you work in graphic design and need an apple you are just hampering yourself.

Or keep paying a premium for less service.

This isn't 2010, Apple products aren't doing anything the competition can't.

Or just do what I do. Keep a cheap Android phone (Samsung S8 for me) with no cellular service, connect it to the USB-A port and just connect the Android phone to the iPhone’s hotspot. It also allows me to use the main screen for ABRP and my iPhone for Waze (cop lookout and traffic cameras)

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