Borla Active Performance Sound System Installed - Sound Clips

[davidborla]

Installed. Took about 6 hours with beers and eating dinner with family. @davidborla . Amazing, great work. Need some Tie Fighters in my future.

Sweet! But 6 hours is too long. Any chance I can have a moment of your time to talk about your install experience so we can learn and improve? If so, please send me a PM.

"Sci-fi" and "Futuristic" sounds are coming. Working on that as we speak.

Appreciate the feedback!

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[davidborla]

Even the people trying to get away from loud cars.

Absolutely yes, this is a solution for "people trying to get away from loud cars".

EVs need to scale to the masses if they're going to have a meaningful, positive influence and if you want EVs to scale and be embraced by the masses, discriminating against enthusiasts who play with their cars, and enjoy hearing one another, is an obstacle to achieving that goal.

In fact, there's a significant resistance to EV adoption among many traditional automotive enthusiasts because they can't really be personalized, especially to the degree that ICE cars can.

For that reason, enthusiasts who modify their vehicles will continue to support gas engines which provide much less of an ability to control the sound volume of the vehicle. Even with some control through valved exhaust systems, you can't shut the sound off entirely on an ICE vehicle like you can with this product. Once you install an aggressive exhaust system on an ICE vehicle, you have to be very careful how you drive when you're in the proximity of those who might not like the sound to ensure you're not bothering anyone, and not everyone is capable of doing that.

The sound of our Mach E kit can be turned down, or shut off entirely, which is a massive improvement for "people trying to get away from loud cars".

Everyone wins - The enthusiasts can enjoy their hobby without bothering anyone else, and the general public can have silence without controlling someone else's pursuit of happiness.

This might be the first product that actually bridges the gap between the two sides. We've lived in such a divisive society lately, especially when it comes to EVs. This kit finally provides something that benefits everyone.

 

[davidborla]

If that was really the case, the the speakers would all be mounted internally in the cabin. But as is, it's located outside the cabin. At least that's how I read it.

Intolerance has made a comeback in our society recently and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

If someone wears a pride shirt in public, and someone else is offended by the sight of it, does that mean pride shirts are intended to offend people? Would you tell a person wearing a pride shirt not to express themselves in public?

Or if someone wears a religious item in public and someone else is offended by the sight? Would you tell them not to express themselves in public?

Tolerance means acceptance of things that don't matter to you, but do matter to others. And in this case, this product considers everyone, because the volume can be controlled. Let's build bridges not walls......

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Intolerance has made a comeback in our society recently and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

If someone wears a pride shirt in public, and someone else is offended by the sight of it, does that mean pride shirts are intended to offend people? Would you tell a person wearing a pride shirt not to express themselves in public?

Or if someone wears a religious item in public and someone else is offended by the sight? Would you tell them not to express themselves in public?

Tolerance means acceptance of things that don't matter to you, but do matter to others. And in this case, this product considers everyone, because the volume can be controlled. Let's build bridges not walls......

Wow. Where did that come from?
If you haven’t figured it out yet. It’s about being considerate to your fellow neighbors and people around you.

here’s a more appropriate comparison. Suppose I really enjoy bright lights. Like really bright lights. But instead of just lighting the inside of my house up so I can enjoy the lights I decide to get stadium lights and put them on the outside of my house and shine them into my neighbors bedroom. Thus affecting their sleep and comfort. That’s what you’re doing except with loud noise. If the owner wants to experience the sounds then have it blasted inside the cabin.

 

[davidborla]

Wow. Where did that come from?
If you haven’t figured it out yet. It’s about being considerate to for fellow neighbors and people around you.

here’s a more appropriate comparison. Suppose I really enjoy bright lights. Like really bright lights. But instead of just lighting the inside of my house up so I can enjoy the lights I decide to get stadium lights and put them on the outside of my house and shine them into my neighbors bedroom. Thus affecting their sleep and comfort. That’s what you’re doing except with loud noise. If the owner wants to experience the sounds then have it blasted inside the cabin.

You can't move your house away from your neighbors, and you can't control the intensity of stadium lights so it's not a fair comparison. There are also existing sound ordinances and laws for car audio that take care of this problem. No one should break the law.

I agree that the point is very much about being considerate to people around you. We're on the same page there and volume control is an asset in that regard.

Unlike the "stadium lights/house" comparison, this product is used in circumstances where everyone involved WANTS to hear it, and the intensity can be controlled. Automotive events, car shows, informal meetups far outside of town, "cars and coffee" type settings etc. The culture these events foster is meaningful to millions of people. When you come home, or are in areas where you might upset someone, you can instantly silence it, or just turn it down.

How do we handle it if our neighbors play music too loud? Or if our neighbor's kid has a drum set? Or if our neighbor makes useless art with noisy power tools? Or there's a party next door? Do we show hatred towards music and power tools and parties? Or do we find a way to be accepting and considerate to one another?

Let's be inclusive and not exclusive.....

 

[RickMachE]

I totally agree with @davidborla here. If I use this product in my neighborhood and annoy people, there are both HOA and public ordinances to deal with that. Same if I use it on a main road.

My previous neighbor had a collection of fancy cars, most of which made lots of noise. He would leave once a month at 6:30AM for Cars and Coffee. Because he knew that one of his cars literally made my house vibrate from hundreds of feet away, he would roll down the driveway in neutral and coast as far as possible before barely touching the pedal, until he got to the entrance of the neighborhood. Then, if you were awake, you could hear him take off.

I don't like pulling up to a light and the car next to me is vibrating, and I'm listening to their music that isn't to my taste (can't stand rap for example). But it's their right to play it, and unless they are violating the noise ordinance, my choice is to drive away from them. Nothing stopping me from pulling off the road until they're a mile ahead of me, or hitting the pedal to be a mile ahead of them.

I personally think this product is very cool, and would put it in both my vehicles, for two things. 1) EV shows and car shows in general, and 2) when I'm playing Mario Andretti in a road with "twisty terves" (family joke).

At an EV event, where most of the people are talking technobabble with the EV-prospects (and in many cases turning them off as a result), pulling in with this cranked up, and then making Star Wars and other noises would attract a huge crowd, and therefore a much bigger audience to then be bored to tears with the technobabble.

But I'm not doing that price point, can't justify it for the limited use I would give it.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

You can't move your house away from your neighbors, and you can't control the intensity of stadium lights so it's not a fair comparison. There are also existing sound ordinances and laws for car audio that take care of this problem. No one should break the law.

I agree that the point is very much about being considerate to people around you. We're on the same page there and volume control is an asset in that regard.

Unlike the "stadium lights/house" comparison, this product is used in circumstances where everyone involved WANTS to hear it, and the intensity can be controlled. Automotive events, car shows, informal meetups far outside of town, "cars and coffee" type settings etc. The culture these events foster is meaningful to millions of people. When you come home, or are in areas where you might upset someone, you can instantly silence it, or just turn it down.

How do we handle it if our neighbors play music too loud? Or if our neighbor's kid has a drum set? Or if our neighbor makes useless art with noisy power tools? Or there's a party next door? Do we show hatred towards music and power tools and parties? Or do we find a way to be accepting and considerate to one another?

Let's be inclusive and not exclusive.....

It's not just loud while driving around your neighborhood, it's loud while driving around town, etc. Unlike the loud parties where you could go to your neighbor and ask them to turn it down, hard to catch up to a car and tell them to turn it down.

There are places where people would enjoy the loud noise, no doubt. But that's few and far from the norm. Of course, there will be owners who are considerate and will only blast the "exhaust" at these events, but I'm going to wager that they are the exception.

It's like slapping a sticker that says "for off-road use only." How many people do you think abide by that?

You mention noise ordinance, how loud does your system get? I'm sure you guys measured.

 

[mkhuffman]

Wow. Where did that come from?
If you haven’t figured it out yet. It’s about being considerate to your fellow neighbors and people around you.

here’s a more appropriate comparison. Suppose I really enjoy bright lights. Like really bright lights. But instead of just lighting the inside of my house up so I can enjoy the lights I decide to get stadium lights and put them on the outside of my house and shine them into my neighbors bedroom. Thus affecting their sleep and comfort. That’s what you’re doing except with loud noise. If the owner wants to experience the sounds then have it blasted inside the cabin.

As long as the government doesn't enforce it with laws and regulations, sure! Otherwise, opinions, everyone has one.

 

[mkhuffman]

I totally agree with @davidborla here. If I use this product in my neighborhood and annoy people, there are both HOA and public ordinances to deal with that. Same if I use it on a main road.

My previous neighbor had a collection of fancy cars, most of which made lots of noise. He would leave once a month at 6:30AM for Cars and Coffee. Because he knew that one of his cars literally made my house vibrate from hundreds of feet away, he would roll down the driveway in neutral and coast as far as possible before barely touching the pedal, until he got to the entrance of the neighborhood. Then, if you were awake, you could hear him take off.

I don't like pulling up to a light and the car next to me is vibrating, and I'm listening to their music that isn't to my taste (can't stand rap for example). But it's their right to play it, and unless they are violating the noise ordinance, my choice is to drive away from them. Nothing stopping me from pulling off the road until they're a mile ahead of me, or hitting the pedal to be a mile ahead of them.

I personally think this product is very cool, and would put it in both my vehicles, for two things. 1) EV shows and car shows in general, and 2) when I'm playing Mario Andretti in a road with "twisty terves" (family joke).

At an EV event, where most of the people are talking technobabble with the EV-prospects (and in many cases turning them off as a result), pulling in with this cranked up, and then making Star Wars and other noises would attract and huge crowd, and therefore a much bigger audience to then be bored to tears with the technobabble.

But I'm not doing that price point, can't justify it for the limited use I would give it.

I agree with Rick.

 

[RickMachE]

I agree with Rick.

Oh crap, not again!

 

[mkhuffman]

Oh crap, not again!

Just admit it, you hate big government also.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

As long as the government doesn't enforce it with laws and regulations, sure! Otherwise, opinions, everyone has one.

There are lots of things that the govt don’t enforce. Doesn’t make it right. There are noise ordinances. But enforcement is slim. There’s laws against littering. But it’s rarely enforced. Just because it’s rarely if ever enforced doesn’t mean that you should dump your trash anywhere.
There’s an underlying unwritten social contract. Society works better when people are considerate.

 

[mkhuffman]

There are lots of things that the govt don’t enforce. Doesn’t make it right. There are noise ordinances. But enforcement is slim. There’s laws against littering. But it’s rarely enforced. Just because it’s rarely if ever enforced doesn’t mean that you should dump your trash anywhere.
There’s an underlying unwritten social contract. Society works better when people are considerate.

Sure, but laws and regulations that are not enforced are enforced when the enforcer has a problem with an individual. "Show me the man, and I will will find you the crime" only works when there are regulations we are all breaking, so when someone wants to target us, they can use the law against us. If you don't have the regulation/law, it can't be abused against you.

Common respect for others doesn't need to be enforced by the government.

 

[RickMachE]

There are lots of things that the govt don’t enforce. Doesn’t make it right. There are noise ordinances. But enforcement is slim. There’s laws against littering. But it’s rarely enforced. Just because it’s rarely if ever enforced doesn’t mean that you should dump your trash anywhere.
There’s an underlying unwritten social contract. Society works better when people are considerate.

Most people could give a rat's ass about others. Regulations exist because of them. That is the only reason that society works, because those that don't give a crap are forced to change their behavior for the benefit of others.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."

 

[mkhuffman]

Most people could give a rat's ass about others. Regulations exist because of them. That is the only reason that society works, because those that don't give a crap are forced to change their behavior for the benefit of others.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one."

I don't agree with Rick.

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