Brake and Accelerator Confusion

[BilLongua]

Brilliant suggestion! Thanks for sharing. My experience has been positive after 21,000 miles, most all of it 1PD, biggest anxiety moments come when switching to wife’s ICE vehicle and having to use the brake in parking situations, where it takes a split second to re-train my muscle memory.

I do this to reposition the mirrors for backing up into my garage. I wish the car had this feature built in. As for the 1PD vs 2PD stuff, I don’t see it. I’d like to see the stats, because it would happen way way more in EVs because you don’t have 1PD in ICE cars and it happens to them. It’s a driver error, not a car issue, in my opinion. 1PD trains you to pull your foot off to brake anyway.
I have a bigger problem with the stupid transmission dial, which I have forgotten to switch to R or D twice now, or overshooting and going to P. So freaking annoying. Regardless, no vehicle is exempt from hitting the wrong pedal.

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[ZoNiE]

I hate that shifter. It just isn't intuitive, and I overshoot as well.

 

[WNKent]

I think your hunch that the gear selector was involved is correct. But I do think OPD could be implicated as well because, normally, with two pedal driving, people often back up by just modulating the brake pedal and don't touch the accelerator at all. If you're backing out in say a grocery store parking lot and suddenly a person appears, you just press down on the pedal you were on, i.e., your brake pedal.

If I were to guess, the following happened:

Driver accidentally shifts to Drive instead of Reverse;

Driver, being in OPD, starts to press the accelerator thinking they are in Reverse and expecting to move backwards;

Driver freaks out that they, in fact, have started to move forward;

Driver relies on their long established two pedal driving muscle memory to slam the pedal they are on, thinking they are on the brake pedal;

Mach-E goes airborne.

Agree that being a new driver or a very seasoned driver make all this a bit more likely.

I think you are correct. Reminds me of driving the VERY steep hills in San Francisco, with a manual transmission, stopped on the way up the hill, someone behind you and it's your time to go; this takes some skill. 3 pedals, 2 pedals and 1 pedal, muscle memory here is the key to success. My MME is landing soon and I plan on not using 1 pedal until I get a good feel for the car and will ease into 1 pedal, but probably not in a parking lot, right off the bat. I'm glad no one was injured in this case.

 

[iam-s-Hon]

Not sure why the conversation pivoted towards 1PD. But coming back to topic, the 2nd tow guy was innovative. He lifted the back wheel and rolled it forward and then put it on a dolly. The front tire was busted so couldn’t tow it.

Would love to see it clearing the gutter. Bet that was a nail-biter.

 

[StillWaitingForMachE]

@Rocketman

Any updates on repairs?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

1PD trains you to pull your foot off to brake anyway.

No it does not. You’re quite capable of using both 1pd drive and manual braking during the same drive. There’s no requirement it be an either or thing.

I have forgotten to switch to R or D twice now, or overshooting and going to P.

I hate that shifter. It just isn't intuitive, and I overshoot as well.

Look at the knob while you turn it.

 

[Rocketman]

Would love to see it clearing the gutter. Bet that was a nail-biter.

Oh yea. Took some maneuvering from the tow person. 10/10 for his out of box thinking.

 

[Rocketman]

@Rocketman

Any updates on repairs?

Initial visual estimate came in at 10K. Waiting for an accurate one once they lift the vehicle up for further inspection.

 

[FordMachEGo]

I do this to reposition the mirrors for backing up into my garage. I wish the car had this feature built in. As for the 1PD vs 2PD stuff, I don’t see it. I’d like to see the stats, because it would happen way way more in EVs because you don’t have 1PD in ICE cars and it happens to them. It’s a driver error, not a car issue, in my opinion. 1PD trains you to pull your foot off to brake anyway.
I have a bigger problem with the stupid transmission dial, which I have forgotten to switch to R or D twice now, or overshooting and going to P. So freaking annoying. Regardless, no vehicle is exempt from hitting the wrong pedal.

I agree regarding the transmission dial. I had the modes confused a few times while backing up and parking. Definitely, need to be careful. Worse yet, I found myself going for the transmission dial to adjust the music volume! I caught myself doing this a few times but once I actually went into neutral by accident until I realized I turned the wrong dial. They are just too much alike.

 

[ZoNiE]

No it does not. You’re quite capable of using both 1pd drive and manual braking during the same drive. There’s no requirement it be an either or thing.


Look at the knob while you turn it.

for 35 years I have been shifting both manual and automatics without having to look at the shifter. Ever, including the Prius thing in my Rav4EV. This new thing is not intuitive and why should I or anyone else be forced to change something that has been a standard since the 1960's regarding automatics? The knob is stupid.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I hate that shifter. It just isn't intuitive, and I overshoot as well.

I hate the rotary shifter too. It’s a really bad idea whose time has come for obsolescence. Notice that the F150 Lightning has a more traditional inline shifter. ??

 

[Rocketman]

I hate the rotary shifter too. It’s a really bad idea whose time has come for obsolescence. Notice that the F150 Lightning has a more traditional inline shifter. ??

Personally, I prefer the rotary dial that ford designed for land rover. It pops out when car is turned on and retracts down when car is shut down. They could have done the same for the Mach e.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

why should I or anyone else be forced to change something that has been a standard since the 1960's regarding automatics? The knob is stupid.

Because if you’re having problems with shifting into the proper gear, you’re doing it wrong. The knob and markings make perfect sense. You rotate the reference indicator to the desired gear. It’s not complicated and it’s not the only vehicle Ford has this in.

 

[ahg]

In this case the accelerator HAD to be depressed, there's no car on earth where pushing an accelerator = braking. Even with 1PD, pushing it never = braking.

When I was a paramedic we would see this happen all the time with elderly people. It's just a sign that it's time to stop driving in many of those cases, but not all. I think there's a higher likelihood of someone thinking they are in reverse because of the stupid gear shift twisty thing and actually being in drive.

That gear shift thing is the one thing I hate about the MME

 

[RedStallion]

Happens all the time.

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