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All you have to do is a hard brake....but trust me...it won't make a difference.
I understand that. But slamming on the brakes isn't always the most comfortable experience, especially if you have loose items in the car. Hence my question.
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Has anyone tried shifting into Neutral before braking to see if it disables regen? I know some other EV brands disable regen in Neutral, which can be used to clean the brakes when needed. But it's kinda hard to tell with the MME since non-GT models don't have a power/regen meter.
I haven't tried that, but will do and report back. I don't think it will be today.
 

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All you have to do is a hard brake....but trust me...it won't make a difference. I straight up ROASTED my pads doing bed in. Rotors are super clean and shiny....and they still are noisy.
I noticed after the first couple washings that the rotors seem SUPER prone to flash rust. Any time they get wet, they get a nice red sheen of rust in about 15 minutes. I've noticed the same thing, but always chalked up the brake noise to rust.
 

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I noticed after the first couple washings that the rotors seem SUPER prone to flash rust. Any time they get wet, they get a nice red sheen of rust in about 15 minutes.
That's been the case with every car I've ever owned.
 


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This is normal, especially if parking on an incline. All vehicles I've owned have done this. Probably a little more grabby on the MME cause of its weight and the roots not getting much use.
 

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Oh they'll all rust, but I've never seen them rust as quickly or completely as my MME.
When the pad material is a semi-metallic, the material on the rotor will rust over more than organic or ceramic/carbon pads.

My M40i was terrible with the stock pads. Soon as I switched to ceramic pads it stopped. The initial bite and cold performance also suffered so for an EV, you definitely want that cold bite.

Just look at all that rust ruining my photo!

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I noticed after the first couple washings that the rotors seem SUPER prone to flash rust. Any time they get wet, they get a nice red sheen of rust in about 15 minutes. I've noticed the same thing, but always chalked up the brake noise to rust.
I understand the theory about rotor noise and rust, however, I'm talking about not your typical noise, and again, it ONLY happens in the last 2 or so feet of a complete stop. Plus, this noise can be heard after a lengthy drive of over 60 miles, with braking included in the drive...
 

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I understand the theory about rotor noise and rust, however, I'm talking about not your typical noise, and again, it ONLY happens in the last 2 or so feet of a complete stop. Plus, this noise can be heard after a lengthy drive of over 60 miles, with braking included in the drive...
It's normal. I'll say it again...normal. The last bit of the stop is always when brakes squeal because the slower speeds cause more vibration. The grinding is the vibration but it's dampened well and not squealing. The grinding is just a result of the pad material and larger than average rotors/pads.
 

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I understand the theory about rotor noise and rust, however, I'm talking about not your typical noise, and again, it ONLY happens in the last 2 or so feet of a complete stop.
That's because those last 2 feet is where the car transitions from regen braking to friction braking. Mine makes the same noise.

The next time you go for a longish drive, feel your rotors after and I think you'll be surprised that they're cold. The MME really doesn't use the friction brakes very much.
 
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It's normal. I'll say it again...normal. The last bit of the stop is always when brakes squeal because the slower speeds cause more vibration. The grinding is the vibration but it's dampened well and not squealing. The grinding is just a result of the pad material and larger than average rotors/pads.
I will respectfully disagree that it is "normal". I've been driving many years (over 40 years) and while I've heard my share of brake noises as well as done brake jobs on just about every common car, this is different.
Rust Noise - Not this time.
Vibration - Not this time.
Quietness of the car and normal noise? - maybe.
Could I possibly be hearing the result of the pad and the rotor just coming to a stop? - maybe.
Could it be an interaction between the motor regen and the brake system? - maybe

But again, this isn't something I've ever heard on any other vehicle before, therefore, I asked the question. And, for the record, this isn't a "squeal" but, we agree, it does seem to be a noise generated by the contact between 2 surfaces, and in this case, we believe these surfaces are the rotor and the pad. This action occurs on EVERY motorized vehicle, but why am I hearing it on this one, and only at the slowest of speeds (like 1 MPH) when I do?

As mentioned - I will respectfully disagree with your theory, but will certainly keep trying to figure it out, and if it comes back as nothing, then I will report back. Not looking to get into a debate on this.
 
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That's because those last 2 feet is where the car transitions from regen braking to friction braking. Mine makes the same noise.

The next time you go for a longish drive, feel your rotors after and I think you'll be surprised that they're cold. The MME really doesn't use the friction brakes very much.
Well, that's interesting information. May I ask if you know that to be 100% accurate about only the last few feet of stopping is the actual friction brakes? I'll assume in different situations of braking, the regen or friction will be determined by the needs and pressure applied. Do you know if by pushing on the "brake pedal" it doesn't always activate the hydraulic (maybe not hydraulic?) friction brakes?
 

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I will respectfully disagree that it is "normal". I've been driving many years (over 40 years) and while I've heard my share of brake noises as well as done brake jobs on just about every common car, this is different.
Rust Noise - Not this time.
Vibration - Not this time.
Quietness of the car and normal noise? - maybe.
Could I possibly be hearing the result of the pad and the rotor just coming to a stop? - maybe.
Could it be an interaction between the motor regen and the brake system? - maybe

But again, this isn't something I've ever heard on any other vehicle before, therefore, I asked the question. And, for the record, this isn't a "squeal" but, we agree, it does seem to be a noise generated by the contact between 2 surfaces, and in this case, we believe these surfaces are the rotor and the pad. This action occurs on EVERY motorized vehicle, but why am I hearing it on this one, and only at the slowest of speeds (like 1 MPH) when I do?

As mentioned - I will respectfully disagree with your theory, but will certainly keep trying to figure it out, and if it comes back as nothing, then I will report back. Not looking to get into a debate on this.
This is an EV. It's probably not like any other car you've driven. It's normal for ALL of us driving THIS car.

You're right it's not a squeal, but grinding and squealing is the same result to come from vibration. The Squeal happens if you don't dampen the vibration well and it creates a harmonic noise. It's dampened with grease.
 

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Well, that's interesting information. May I ask if you know that to be 100% accurate about only the last few feet of stopping is the actual friction brakes? I'll assume in different situations of braking, the regen or friction will be determined by the needs and pressure applied. Do you know if by pushing on the "brake pedal" it doesn't always activate the hydraulic (maybe not hydraulic?) friction brakes?
Yes, 100%. Unlike a Tesla, the MME has a blended braking system. That means that every time you press the brake pedal, the car will try to use as much regenerative braking as possible before engaging the friction brakes. If you slam the pedal, it will engage the friction brakes much sooner, but in every day driving the friction brakes are used very little. Regen is usually enough to bring the car close to a stop, and then the friction brakes kick in at the very end and stay engaged to hold the car at a stop.

Seriously, feel the rotors after a drive and you'll see that they're cold.
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