Charging Capacity

[hybrid2bev]

I appreciate all your comments. I still don’t think I understand. If you fill up a tank of gas, you’re gonna start with a 500 mile range. Obviously if you drive faster or drive a pill or drive in certain conditions, you’ll use the gas faster. My point is when you fill up you’ll get that 500 mile range with an EV wouldn’t I get the same 290 mile range on a full charge? Obviously that might be 220 to 250 if I drive faster or the conditions are harsh.

The comment that makes the most sense is the one about the standard versus the extended range. I bought an extended range, but it sounds like it might be a standard range. I will have to talk to the dealership more because it was not too clear. I don’t see how they can messed up the battery.

Three things to add.

1. The Mach-E is not going to lie like Tesla does and display the EPA range.
2. The range displayed is just a guess. See the threads below.
3. You don't have the wrong battery.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...lanation-how-to-calculate-actual-range.13749/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ulate-how-far-your-mach-e-can-really-go.6104/

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[BTRYPWRDPONY]

Have you reset your driving history yet?

 

[Maquis]

I appreciate all your comments. I still don’t think I understand. If you fill up a tank of gas, you’re gonna start with a 500 mile range. Obviously if you drive faster or drive a pill or drive in certain conditions, you’ll use the gas faster. My point is when you fill up you’ll get that 500 mile range with an EV wouldn’t I get the same 290 mile range on a full charge? Obviously that might be 220 to 250 if I drive faster or the conditions are harsh.

The comment that makes the most sense is the one about the standard versus the extended range. I bought an extended range, but it sounds like it might be a standard range. I will have to talk to the dealership more because it was not too clear. I don’t see how they can messed up the battery.

If you happen to be someplace with single-digit temps, it will show closer to 200 miles. There’s nothing wrong with your car. It has the correct battery.

 

[TheVirtualTim]

I appreciate all your comments. I still don’t think I understand. If you fill up a tank of gas, you’re gonna start with a 500 mile range.

No ... you can get the car to "display" that range ... but that's not the range you'll get.

If you have an extended range batter then what you are getting is 91 kWh of capacity ... that's it. RWD vs. AWD makes a difference (AWD takes about a 10% range hit).

BUT... THIS CAR tries to "learn" your driving habits and then adjusts the predicted range based on YOU. You still get the 91 kWh ... but ACTUAL range will be based on several factors such as whether or not you have a heavy foot, are driving uphill, driving into a strong headwind, are driving in cold weather, etc. If you plan a route via the in-car navigation system then it will update the predicted range based on your route. But the predicted range is just a "guess".

I find it to be not that far off the mark in terms of what I actually get.

Energy is energy ... your gas powered car has all the same problems. It does even worse in cold weather until it has a chance to warm up (EV motors don't need to "warm up"). It also does worse at altitude (where the engine can't develop as much compression -- EV's don't need compression). I used to monitor my winter fuel economy vs. my summer fuel economy and my winter economy was awful.

What I do is pull up the "This Trip" and check the miles/kWh to see how it is doing. That's a much better indicator of whether you are using more energy vs. less energy than expected.

There's nothing wrong with the car. You'll get much more comfortable/confident as you learn how it works.

 

[RickMachE]

I appreciate all your comments. I still don’t think I understand. If you fill up a tank of gas, you’re gonna start with a 500 mile range. Obviously if you drive faster or drive a pill or drive in certain conditions, you’ll use the gas faster. My point is when you fill up you’ll get that 500 mile range with an EV wouldn’t I get the same 290 mile range on a full charge? Obviously that might be 220 to 250 if I drive faster or the conditions are harsh.

The comment that makes the most sense is the one about the standard versus the extended range. I bought an extended range, but it sounds like it might be a standard range. I will have to talk to the dealership more because it was not too clear. I don’t see how they can messed up the battery.

When you fill up a gas car, it displays a range, which on modern cars based up the history of your recent driving.

I had a 2013 F-150 that I just sold. If I drove in the city and got 14mpg, and then filled it up, it displayed around 500 miles of range. If I had driven hundreds of miles on the highway and got 19mpg, it displayed around 700 miles or range.

So no, it doesn't display 500 miles on every fill.

In the winter, those gallons of gas get you less MPG than in the summer. Different gas blend, and cold weather. If you filled the car in August, but then drove it in February, you'd find it said 500 but you got much less and you'd be annoyed.

No, you didn't buy a standard range.

As has been explained a few times, your Mach-E has intelligent range.

Since our explanations aren't working, watch this video - https://www.ford.com/support/vehicl...40859112?name=power-my-trip-intelligent-range

 

[generaltso]

I bought an extended range, but it sounds like it might be a standard range.

That’s not a thing.

 

[mkhuffman]

Jeff, ignore the Guess-o-Meter (GoM). I almost never look at it. I look at the State of Charge Displayed (SoCD). If your battery is fully charged, and your battery is relatively new, you will get EPA range if the weather is warm and you drive similar to the EPA test cycle.

Relax. Don't contact your dealer. If you really want to know what is going on, get an OBDII scanner and the Car Scanner app and you can read the battery capacity at 100%, as well as other data. Then you will know and you can admit Rick is right. He sometimes is.

 

[PharaohHound138]

Imagine if you bought an ICE vehicle rated at 30 mpg and a 10 gallon tank...300 miles per fill up right? But the way you drive, the weather etc you only get 25 mpg. Would you still be expecting 300 miles per fill up? Of course not you are down to 250 right? So now you have a car that does the math for you each time you "fill up" that is what you are seeing in your range projection.

 

[Flint302]

Everything everybody said is true. That being said--this car is fast. I'm sure everyone loves to goose it once in a while (or more) because it's fun. This car performs! Please, just realize that every time you "goose it" your car will remember it and calculate that into a lower prediction for your future trips. For your best range, drive slow, drive like a granny, and drive in the summer. Don't use a lot of heat, use your seat heating and keep reading this forum. If you don't need the range, then blast off at every green light and have fun.

 

[JRSNoVa]

As long as you think in terms of charging to a range number you won't fully understand what's happening. You charge to a percent of the battery capacity and the car estimates a range based on recent driving data. It's entirely normal for that to change from one charge to the next.

 

[ctenidae]

You are getting full capacity. But battery capacity is measured in kWh, not miles. Just like gas tank capacity is measured in gallons. How far you can go on those kWh (or gallons) depends on a lot of factors and no two trips will be the same. That's why your car just has to guess on the range at any given time. The EPA rated range is calculated with an average speed of something like 45 mph. If you regularly drive faster than that, you likely won't get the EPA rated range.

The nuance to this that newer EV folks don't get is that the impact of conditions is much greater in an EV. In an ICE it's 2 or 3 miles a gallon. In an EV it can be nearly a quarter of your range. I think that's one of those changes in thinking that seems easy and obvious but is kinda hard to do.

 

[Ride_the_lightning]

As long as you think in terms of charging to a range number you won't fully understand what's happening. You charge to a percent of the battery capacity and the car estimates a range based on recent driving data. It's entirely normal for that to change from one charge to the next.

This would all be a lot less confusing if the window sticker said “about 290ish.” People don’t read the fine print, or apparently understand the word “estimated”.

 

[HuntingPudel]

This would all be a lot less confusing if the window sticker said “about 290ish.” People don’t read the fine print, or apparently understand the word “estimated”.

Just they way that the Marketing guys like it. Not... that... I... have a Marketing degree.... ??

 

[AKgrampy]

I appreciate all your comments. I still don’t think I understand. If you fill up a tank of gas, you’re gonna start with a 500 mile range. Obviously if you drive faster or drive a pill or drive in certain conditions, you’ll use the gas faster. My point is when you fill up you’ll get that 500 mile range with an EV wouldn’t I get the same 290 mile range on a full charge? Obviously that might be 220 to 250 if I drive faster or the conditions are harsh.

The comment that makes the most sense is the one about the standard versus the extended range. I bought an extended range, but it sounds like it might be a standard range. I will have to talk to the dealership more because it was not too clear. I don’t see how they can messed up the battery.

My Expedition’s range varies on a full tank depending on past driving conditions too. In the summer it can reach as high as 470 miles but right now just about 400. What I suggest you do for yourself is look at your MyTrip to get a feel for what your average mi/kWh is based on your driving habits. For myself up her in Alaska I am getting about 1.8 on average and I charge to 90% and my GOM gives me around 147 fairly regularly which is what I expect. In the summer I get closer to 3 and my GOM gives me around 240 on a 90% charge. If you do this exercise you will get a feel for how your car performs and perhaps you might adjust your climate control to improve efficiency (or not.) This is just one way I learned over time.

 

[Earplug]

If this is all you have to go by, how much "range" do you have?

Modern vehicles have the computers to give you an ESTIMATE of the range in the tank based on the latest driving history.

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