Confidence is eroding on my Mach-E

[KyloRen]

Are there exceptions / restrictions on the licenses issued? Did the GM and Waymo AI’s have to interact conversationally with the state trooper during the exam? How did the AIs see and respond to the troopers body language (for example, “let’s parallel park over there.”, while pointing to the right side of the road, between two cars)? Is there ain in-car video of the entire interaction between the trooper and the AI during the exam?

All good questions.. I have no idea. I was just stating what I saw on the news. I do come across these cars in SF and other cities with no drivers inside! ;-) And from this month, they are cleared to charge the passengers for the ride (ie they completed their trial period)

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[robbinbadams]

Hi All,

It has been a while since I've posted. I still got my Mach-E and for the most part things are going well. There is something that has been happening lately while driving that is eroding my confidence in my safety in this vehicle.

When I am on the highway, I usually always have adaptive cruise control on with lane centering on. Lately, at least four times now, I would be driving and the car would abruptly cut the accelerator and flash "Adaptive Cruise" in the driver console. Another time the car jerked the steering to the right for a split second as well. This is literally terrifying when this happens. The most interesting thing that I've noticed is that when this does happen it always happens when there is a semi on the right side of my car when I'm passing. It makes me wonder if there is some kind of equipment in semis that are throwing the electronics or what.

Anyone had this experience yet? I've tried looking to see if Ford has some kind of Mach-E specific feedback/comments email address, but I haven't found one yet.

Manny truckers use cb radios. Many have illegal rf amplifiers to boost range. Could that rf create a problem? Maybe.
Should the mme be immune to such rf? Yes it should be but it may not.

 

[krafty81]

No issues for me with adaptive CC. But I do always pay close attention near semis!

 

[ripperAZ]

Adaptive has been around for a while my 2010 Taurus had it Lane centering is new for ford and most car manufacturers. I think 2018/2019 is when ford first started offering lane centering.

Certainly had all those tools as well and now adding sign recognition and lane changing doesn’t seem to make it a whole lot better it’s still a gimmick you still need to drive your car it’s still more fun
I am going to be 100% attentive as I always have been. I am not gonna count on a sensor to protect me from a semi truck. Percentage of attention it’s not a concept I understand

 

[Jimrpa]

All good questions.. I have no idea. I was just stating what I saw on the news. I do come across these cars in SF and other cities with no drivers inside! ;-) And from this month, they are cleared to charge the passengers for the ride (ie they completed their trial period)

I’m not sure how comfortable I am with the idea of unmonitored vehicles on Public roadways. I realize the climate in California (the crappy parts I hate anyway) is always 72, sunny, with zero precipitation and 10 miles visibility 365 days of the year, but I wouldn’t want to be on, say I-4 in the Orlando area with a bunch of these vehicles when the sky opens with a typical central Florida afternoon rainstorm. Or on any of the major highways around Philadelphia at any time (we’re plagued with both Jersey drivers and Delaware drivers who don’t stay in their own states ?) Or any major snowstorm where visibility is significantly reduced, water in the atmosphere could reduce radar reliability, and traction and handling of the vehicle become … less predictable ?
No, let’s keep these “autonomous” cars off public roads until they’re able to navigate Mumbai, can negotiate Bangkok in the rainy season and can drive safely in the front range of Colorado during a blizzard before the plows get out in I-25. After they handle all of that, then perhaps we can begin thinking about letting them on our public roads in some limited manner.

 

[ChuckA]

In my opinion and experience the self driving technology and assist just isn't ready. Don't trust it, don't use it.

We’re eligible for the 1 year free trial. Don’t want it, don’t need it. I’m glad that it and the $600 cost wasn’t forced on me for my July ‘21 build. It wasn’t added to MSRP’s until later.

 

[gpgrim]

Hi All,

It has been a while since I've posted. I still got my Mach-E and for the most part things are going well. There is something that has been happening lately while driving that is eroding my confidence in my safety in this vehicle.

When I am on the highway, I usually always have adaptive cruise control on with lane centering on. Lately, at least four times now, I would be driving and the car would abruptly cut the accelerator and flash "Adaptive Cruise" in the driver console. Another time the car jerked the steering to the right for a split second as well. This is literally terrifying when this happens. The most interesting thing that I've noticed is that when this does happen it always happens when there is a semi on the right side of my car when I'm passing. It makes me wonder if there is some kind of equipment in semis that are throwing the electronics or what.

Anyone had this experience yet? I've tried looking to see if Ford has some kind of Mach-E specific feedback/comments email address, but I haven't found one yet.

So I've had my 4XP for about 3 months now and am closing in on 4k miles. I spend most work days driving for a few miles on the freeway in "hands free" driving, and I've logged several longish trips from 100-350 miles one way on freeways using "hands free."

Although I've not had the experience of the console message you mention above, I've certainly had multiple collision avoidance false positives which are not pleasant, resulting in me needing to take immediate control of the vehicle and breath deeply, but in retrospect these were obvious situations where algo's and AI can't possibly figure out it. Things like entering a sweeping turn to the left and the car immediately in front slows into a right hand turn lane to exit the through lane. These situations are more training experiences for the humans as to the limitations of the software than the software and instruments grok'ing the circumstances.

That all being said, early on I almost always got a bit of "torque steer" to the right when I activated "Blue Cruise/Hand's free" at freeway speed. I don't recall it on the way home tonight, or on my recent road trip to So Cal this weekend, so maybe there's been an update.

Regardless, for reasons which I don't understand the car does need to home in on the right lane line before centering in the lane, this is particularly true on the freeway. Yes this is quite unnerving when a Semi is in the lane to the right. I only let the car do this lane finding exercise when I'm not immediately next to a car, and definitely not when i'm mid sweeper. I almost always hold the line through sweepers at freeway speeds regardless. It's extremely annoying to me to be bouncing from lane line to lane line as though I'm being chauffeured by a 16 y/o.

That all being said, I am pretty impressed with the car so far, and have been pretty lucky in that electrically and mechanical there've been no issues. That being said, some of the assembly tolerances are noticeably not great, but hey I bought a car to drive, not obsess about mm differences in quarter panel positioning.

 

[Mawby]

Nothing here. I have about 1000 miles with Bluecruise and 3-4K miles with adaptive. I would suggest duplicating and recording it on a camera (not in your hand) so you can show your dealer. If you do not you will get the "cannot duplicate" issue response. Also, make sure you sensors are clean, It effects the "wander" factor for sure.

Was going to mention sensor cleaning.

 

[Mawby]

So I've had my 4XP for about 3 months now and am closing in on 4k miles. I spend most work days driving for a few miles on the freeway in "hands free" driving, and I've logged several longish trips from 100-350 miles one way on freeways using "hands free."

Although I've not had the experience of the console message you mention above, I've certainly had multiple collision avoidance false positives which are not pleasant, resulting in me needing to take immediate control of the vehicle and breath deeply, but in retrospect these were obvious situations where algo's and AI can't possibly figure out it. Things like entering a sweeping turn to the left and the car immediately in front slows into a right hand turn lane to exit the through lane. These situations are more training experiences for the humans as to the limitations of the software than the software and instruments grok'ing the circumstances.

That all being said, early on I almost always got a bit of "torque steer" to the right when I activated "Blue Cruise/Hand's free" at freeway speed. I don't recall it on the way home tonight, or on my recent road trip to So Cal this weekend, so maybe there's been an update.

Regardless, for reasons which I don't understand the car does need to home in on the right lane line before centering in the lane, this is particularly true on the freeway. Yes this is quite unnerving when a Semi is in the lane to the right. I only let the car do this lane finding exercise when I'm not immediately next to a car, and definitely not when i'm mid sweeper. I almost always hold the line through sweepers at freeway speeds regardless. It's extremely annoying to me to be bouncing from lane line to lane line as though I'm being chauffeured by a 16 y/o.

That all being said, I am pretty impressed with the car so far, and have been pretty lucky in that electrically and mechanical there've been no issues. That being said, some of the assembly tolerances are noticeably not great, but hey I bought a car to drive, not obsess about mm differences in quarter panel positioning.

Or tail gate... mm"s

 

[Mawby]

It's probably 85% of the way there based on my experience. Lane centering is not great. The car bounces side to side in the lane or hugs the right line.

Hugging the right lane and no way handling a bunch of bicyclists on the RHS. Chilling.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Hugging the right lane and no way handling a bunch of bicyclists on the RHS. Chilling.

Not chilling, in my opinion.

If you're driving alongside cyclists, you need your hands on the wheel.

Lane centering is a subfunction of cruise control. If you're around cyclists, you most likely shouldn't be using cruise control. And when cruise is off, it becomes lane departure alerting and/or lane keeping.

Hands free driving is only available on restricted access roads and always requires driver supervision and prudence.

 

[MrClean]

In my opinion and experience the self driving technology and assist just isn't ready. Don't trust it, don't use it.

It only has to fail once…

 

[theliphant]

Hi All,

It has been a while since I've posted. I still got my Mach-E and for the most part things are going well. There is something that has been happening lately while driving that is eroding my confidence in my safety in this vehicle.

When I am on the highway, I usually always have adaptive cruise control on with lane centering on. Lately, at least four times now, I would be driving and the car would abruptly cut the accelerator and flash "Adaptive Cruise" in the driver console. Another time the car jerked the steering to the right for a split second as well. This is literally terrifying when this happens. The most interesting thing that I've noticed is that when this does happen it always happens when there is a semi on the right side of my car when I'm passing. It makes me wonder if there is some kind of equipment in semis that are throwing the electronics or what.

Anyone had this experience yet? I've tried looking to see if Ford has some kind of Mach-E specific feedback/comments email address, but I haven't found one yet.

My job1 that I had for about a year and at 18k miles behaves *exactly* the same when there's semi to the right.

Let us know if fomoco will figure out something

 

[Mawby]

Not chilling, in my opinion.

If you're driving alongside cyclists, you need your hands on the wheel.

Lane centering is a subfunction of cruise control. If you're around cyclists, you most likely shouldn't be using cruise control. And when cruise is off, it becomes lane departure alerting and/or lane keeping.

Hands free driving is only available on restricted access roads and always requires driver supervision and prudence.

Totally agree. Was speaking to the context of hands-free never will work with these anomolies. Imagine the bridge under construction and the car drives over and through. The automated system will break out and say tilt. So as to have the human drive again. Straight away, fine for bluecruise.

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