Electrify America - extremely bad first experience

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I apologize for making a post that's probably been made a million times by now, but I felt like I would share it anyway as it's a first for me.

I just bought my MME last month and I've been enjoying it, but it's almost all been charging at home. I took it out for a fairly quick day trip yesterday, and decided that I would top it off just to avoid getting home at <5%. I looked up chargers in the FordPass app and found an Electrify America charger stop at a Walmart that was basically on my route.

I get there and it's empty, with six stations. One of them was offline, but the rest were at least nominally functional. I had 250kW of free charging through the FordPass app, so I tried to use that - I activated the charger through the app, and was prompted to put the handset in and start charging, which I did. After 30-60 seconds, it just failed, with an error like "charger fault" or something, and the charger ring on the MME port started flashing orange. and the app notified me of the failure. Tried again, same result.

Moved to a different station and repeated, and same result.

Tried a third station, and again, same thing.

At this point, I thought that maybe the problem was with the FordPass app, so I started the process of downloading the app, setting up an account, entering billing info, etc. I have my wife and my mother and my newborn with me, so this is starting to feel like an ordeal - after all, I was the one who pushed for an EV when my wife was more hesitant about it.

I get the app set up and go about the same basic process of activating the charger, and starting charging. This time it actually seems to start working! Except... then it fails. The app reports a failure and suggests retrying. But I take a look at the charger port and see that it looks like it's still charging. I look over at the station and verify that it does indeed seem to still be going, even though the app thinks otherwise.

But I look at the station, and notice that it's already charged me $13 before I've really even started charging. The screen literally shows me that it knows my battery was 30% at the start of charge, but for whatever weird failure of code, it's decided that I owe them money for the 30% of the battery that was already charged when I showed up.

Anyway, I charge to about 50% (from starting at 30%) and stop charging. It charged at a rate of around ~100kW, which is fine. I thought maybe it was just a UI glitch, but sure enough, I proceeded to get a bill for $22 for charging 20% of my battery.

I called Electrify America and find that their billing department is closed. I've called back today and I've had to spend like a half hour on hold - I started talking with a guy, I explained the situation, he put me on hold, came back, put me on hold again, and then came back and explained that it was actually MY FAULT, and then I had to explain again what happened and offer to send photo evidence. I'm on hold yet again and still not sure whether this is going to get resolved.

This is frankly just a nightmare scenario and honestly makes me feel like I may have inflicted a big a impediment on my family by buying an EV if this is going to be a recurring theme. I'm optimistic that the Tesla integration will help to avoid this kind of BS, but just feeling pretty uncertain about the whole highway charging experience now.

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Was this the one in Bushnell?

Also, you can only use the free charging credits when you activate with the FordPass App or use Plug and Charge, so do NOT activate charging through the EA app if you want to use your free charging.
 
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Was this the one in Bushnell?

Also, you can only use the free charging credits when you activate with the FordPass App or use Plug and Charge, so do NOT activate charging through the EA app if you want to use your free charging.
This one is in Ormond Beach, FL.

And yes, I was trying to activate through the FordPass app for the first 3-4 tries, without success. It only successfully started charging when using the EA app, which then proceeded to fail, and the charger station went and overbilled me.
 

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This one is in Ormond Beach, FL.

And yes, I was trying to activate through the FordPass app for the first 3-4 tries, without success. It only successfully started charging when using the EA app, which then proceeded to fail, and the charger station went and overbilled me.
Oh I've been to that one as well, it's pretty outdated, I think it really needs an upgrade. I've seen issues on Plugshare with it too. It's hard to know if it's a car issue or EA issue without using a known working charger.

One thing I've also noticed is that as these CCS chargers age, the connector gets real loose and the weight from the thick cables causes the connector sag and lose connection with the vehicle. I've found that it helps to continue to hold the CCS connector in all the way so it doesn't sag until the car locks onto it with the internal lock that activates with DCFC.

I experienced this at an FPL charger last weekend in Daytona (I've never had an issue with an FPL charger before), I didn't get any errors at all or charge faults, but the charging just abruptly paused and it worked fine when I did the steps above when I started charging over again.

But if you are in Daytona again, highly recommend the EVGo stations at Volusia Mall or the FPL stations at One Daytona.
 

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The overcharging thing has happened to some other people. If you search the forum, you’ll find some other posts about it. Seems to me that EA rectified it for them. If it happens again I would call the EA help line when it happens - it’ son their app.

As far as the charge fault goes, seems like something might need to be fixed but there is a possible way to reset that. There’s a post about that in here too.
 


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This one is in Ormond Beach, FL.

And yes, I was trying to activate through the FordPass app for the first 3-4 tries, without success. It only successfully started charging when using the EA app, which then proceeded to fail, and the charger station went and overbilled me.
Next time try Plug and Charge first.
 

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I don’t really know what the difference is between plug and charge and activating through the app?
Plug and Charge transmits the info directly to EA, who then verifies with Ford, and the car starts charging. It probably would not have made a difference in your case, but you never know. There is no reason NOT to use P&C versus swiping in FordPass when at EA. EA is the only place P&C currently works (and only when using the Ford account).

Your experience, that EA is crappy, is true for about 25% of the time. Some locations are great. Most locations have at least 25% down chargers. Some locations have been, and continue to be, crappy for years.

Tesla will change the game in Feb/Spring. What is unknown is whether the deluge of CCS cars makes the Tesla network have problems.
 

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I don’t really know what the difference is between plug and charge and activating through the app?
Plug and Charge is convenient when charging on EA when: 1) you have free 250 kWh available or 2) you don't charge enough on EA to warrant subscribing to a monthly plan.

If you end up charging more than 30 kWh in a month, it is more economical to pay EA the $7/ month and deactivate P&C. Under this scenario, you would need to ignore the station's instructions of plugging in first, open EA app and authorize the station you are parked at and then plug in. Following that process, you would be charged the discounted rate of $0.36/ kWh. If you use P&C after you free 250 expire, FordPass charges you the $48 cents per kWh, the non-discounted EA rate.

EA is pretty good with getting customers on / off monthly plans (I've done it several times in the last year and a half).

Hope this helps.
 

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I'm also confused that you didn't have the FordPass app set up already. You really should have that done before you go on a trip.
 
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Plug and Charge transmits the info directly to EA, who then verifies with Ford, and the car starts charging. It probably would not have made a difference in your case, but you never know. There is no reason NOT to use P&C versus swiping in FordPass when at EA. EA is the only place P&C currently works (and only when using the Ford account).
Thanks for the clarification! That was kinda my understanding, but it felt like what I was doing was the most foolproof thing. But the guess not.

Your experience, that EA is crappy, is true for about 25% of the time. Some locations are great. Most locations have at least 25% down chargers. Some locations have been, and continue to be, crappy for years.
Problem is, how likely am I going to be to try an EA charger again unless I really have to? It ended up costing maybe an hour and a half of my time, between screwing around with the chargers and then having to be on the phone with them for an absurdly long time. This is kinda creating a situation of “always try the Tesla charger first”, which is not terrible but it would be nice to have options.

Tesla will change the game in Feb/Spring. What is unknown is whether the deluge of CCS cars makes the Tesla network have problems.
I am assuming so, I would likely have not bought a MME if I didn’t know about the pending Tesla integration.
 
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I'm also confused that you didn't have the FordPass app set up already. You really should have that done before you go on a trip.
I’m not sure what you mean, I felt like I had the FordPass app set up pretty well with my CC info and whatnot. I tried what the app seemed to pushing me to do, which was identify a charger on the map, activate a station at it, and charge. It seemed to be working, it activated the station, which prompted me to plug in, and then it just spun at an “initiating charging” spinner screen for awhile before failing.
 
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I'm also confused that you didn't have the FordPass app set up already. You really should have that done before you go on a trip.
Oh, I think I see the confusion. I had the FordPass app set up, but it was the Electrify America app that I hadn’t downloaded or configured yet. I was thinking that I wouldn’t have to use it, if I had the FordPass app good to go.
 
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Oh I've been to that one as well, it's pretty outdated, I think it really needs an upgrade. I've seen issues on Plugshare with it too. It's hard to know if it's a car issue or EA issue without using a known working charger.
It looks like this station cluster has a high PlugShare score, so I am prepared to accept that this is some kind of FordPass issue. But that still doesn’t really excuse EA overcharging by a huge amount, or the EA app also apparently bombing out early while the car was still charging.

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This one is in Ormond Beach, FL.

And yes, I was trying to activate through the FordPass app for the first 3-4 tries, without success. It only successfully started charging when using the EA app, which then proceeded to fail, and the charger station went and overbilled me.
Daytona is a mecca for DC charging and that EA location is old and pretty flaky. These red rings to me are often communication failures (other than billing issues - like outdated credit card on file). The top J-1772 pins need to be firmly connected.

FPL Evolution is near the Speedway and backup plan would be the EVGo only 2 miles from there. FPL chargers are 1000000x more reliable than EA stalls.

EA is building a new location on the south side of Daytona and those should be the newer stalls
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