Help me decide: Mach-E or Model Y

[voxel]

Tax credit on the Y seems useless. They raised the price $9,000 in preparation for the credit. So if it doesn’t pass, they’ll probably just lower the price like they did when the credit ran out.

Tesla has figured out how to play the government game for sure.

Demand for the Y is off the charts. If you follow Discord channels that track inventory, they are sold within minutes (like PS5s) even though folks could wait a month for this possibly imaginary tax credit.

And auction numbers on used Model Ys are $4K higher than brand new ones ($63K). It's no different than Mach-Es IMO which are being sold used $5K over MSRP (insane) on sites like Carvana and CarMax.

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[Mach1E]

Demand for the Y is off the charts. If you follow Discord channels that track inventory, they are sold within minutes (like PS5s) even though folks could wait a month for this possibly imaginary tax credit.

And auction numbers on used Model Ys are $4K higher than brand new ones ($63K). It's no different than Mach-Es IMO which are being sold used $5K over MSRP (insane) on sites like Carvana and CarMax.

Demand for every car is insane.

And yet only Tesla is raising prices $9k.

Nice try though. ?

 

[voxel]

One huge thing I didn't see in this thread... If you get into an accident with a Tesla they have a horrible track record providing repair parts to body shops. There are tons of horror stories on the Tesla forums of people waiting 5+ months with their cars at the body shop.

1) I don't that is true anymore. There are also third party certified body shops that can perform the repairs. I hear Tesla can replace batteries within a week or two (there are people defective HV batteries after less an week of ownership - that Tommy L Garage guy documented his replacement).
2) Is really that different from Ford or VW though... I hear horror stories about lack of parts from all EV makers? There's a giant part shortage globally. There was a guy in the UK that had to force a VW buyback on his ID.4 because nobody had the tools for the filling the coolant pump... all tools were in mainland Europe. Months of saga.

 

[voxel]

Demand for every car is insane.

And yet only Tesla is raising prices $9k.

Nice try though. ?

Ford raised their prices by $2-$3K for the 2022 Mach-E and VW is doing the same with the 2022 ID.4 (amounts not announced but old prices not honored). Toyota is raising the RAV4 Prime base price $1500 for 2022 models (effective Jan basically)... I'm about to pick one up in two weeks.

Tesla only raised the Model Y Performance by $3K or $4K in 2021... they basically tried to force people to buy the higher trim and stave off demand for the lower ones.

 

[pepper]

I did read something the other day about Tesla trying to force people to take delivery instead of keeping on bumping their orders.

It’s like a game of cat and mouse trying to figure out who can secure the government credits for themselves. You or Tesla.

https://electrek.co/2021/11/24/tesla-tsla-sends-ultimatum-buyers-delaying-deliveries/amp/

Oh yeah it’s absolutely true. I’ve been following multiple threads on this topic over on the Tesla forum, and people are s***ing bricks trying to delay their orders. And Tesla is following through with cancelling orders for those who don’t comply and accept their car in December, and keeping the deposit! It seems to be happening with orders which are 6 months old or older, so I think I am safe with my September order. Amazingly, this seems to be in direct conflict with their Terms and Conditions, so I hope they have some good lawyers.

 

[Mach1E]

Ford raised their prices by $2-$3K for the 2022 Mach-E and VW is doing the same with the 2022 ID.4 (amounts not announced but old prices not honored). Toyota is raising the RAV4 Prime base price $1500 for 2022 models (effective Jan basically)... I'm about to pick one up in two weeks.

Tesla only raised the Model Y Performance by $3K or $4K in 2021... they basically tried to force people to buy the higher trim and stave off demand for the lower ones.

Yeah, 2-3k is less than inflation. 9k? Not so much.

Makes sense on the performance trims. Isn’t it more of a software upgrade than a hardware one? Likely more margin to play with at the top.

 

[voxel]

Yeah, 2-3k is less than inflation. 9k? Not so much.

Makes sense on the performance trims. Isn’t it more of a software upgrade than a hardware one? Likely more margin to play with at the top.

No.. the Performance has a slightly larger battery, $3K wheel upgrade to 21" wheels, upgraded brakes, lower suspension, carbon fiber spoiler. It's like Premium vs. GT (non-PE).

The MYP has a harsh ride and worse range. I don't know why folks would want it. It doesn't even have track mode like the Model 3 Performance.

 

[Chicago-E]

1) I don't that is true anymore. There are also third party certified body shops that can perform the repairs. I hear Tesla can replace batteries within a week or two (there are people defective HV batteries after less an week of ownership - that Tommy L Garage guy documented his replacement).
2) Is really that different from Ford or VW though... I hear horror stories about lack of parts from all EV makers? There's a giant part shortage globally. There was a guy in the UK that had to force a VW buyback on his ID.4 because nobody had the tools for the filling the coolant pump... all tools were in mainland Europe. Months of saga.

Its absolutely still true and has never been fixed. Although Im sure the current shortages have exacerbated this issue. Tesla prioritizes parts for new cars, simple as that.

 

[voxel]

Its absolutely still true and has never been fixed. Although Im sure the current shortages have exacerbated this issue. Tesla prioritizes parts for new cars, simple as that.

Again there are third party body shops authorized to perform repairs

i.e

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/collision-repair-in-ny-area.249335/

My personal experience is they are fast at the repairs but booking the appointment is usually a two week wait. My first Ford visit didn’t leave me with the impression my dealer stocks any Mach-E parts at all. Too low of a volume. We are the early adopters after all.

 

[Chicago-E]

Again there are third party body shops authorized to perform repairs

i.e

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/collision-repair-in-ny-area.249335/

My personal experience is they are fast at the repairs but booking the appointment is usually a two week wait. My first Ford visit didn’t leave me with the impression my dealer stocks any Mach-E parts at all. Too low of a volume. We are the early adopters after all.

The body shops are waiting on Tesla parts (sometimes for months). Thats been the issue since the Model S came out and continues to be the issue now. The actual repair times by body shops weren't the issue. It did appear to be getting better pre-covid but was still pretty unacceptable from what I've read.

I do agree about the low volume part for the Mach-E. TBD if ford is ready or not to support parts for these vehicles. I am optimistic tho given their experience in doing so in the past.

 

[voxel]

The body shops are waiting on Tesla parts (sometimes for months). Thats been the issue since the Model S came out and continues to be the issue now. The actual repair times by body shops weren't the issue. It did appear to be getting better pre-covid but was still pretty unacceptable from what I've read.

I do agree about the low volume part for the Mach-E. TBD if ford is ready or not to support parts for these vehicles. I am optimistic tho given their experience in doing so in the past.

Here's a somewhat happy story... only took 45 days to fix the electrical issue of this ID.4 (well known member too):

https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/my-turn-for-electrical-system-failure-now-fixed.3693/

While it may seem like a long time, VW technicians and engineers were able to isolate the problem(s) and replace the faulty parts. You don't want to hear about EVs with "unresolved" problems because that means the technicians/engineers are incompetent.

 

[Mach1E]

Here's a somewhat happy story... only took 45 days to fix the electrical issue of this ID.4 (well known member too):

https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/my-turn-for-electrical-system-failure-now-fixed.3693/

While it may seem like a long time, VW technicians and engineers were able to isolate the problem(s) and replace the faulty parts. You don't want to hear about EVs with "unresolved" problems because that means the technicians/engineers are incompetent.

It’s pretty bad if 45 days is a timeline worth bragging about. ?

 

[voxel]

It’s pretty bad if 45 days is a timeline worth bragging about. ?

It sounds bad but

1) They replaced major parts like "battery module, positive contactor, negative contactor, but also the complete rear drive unit."

https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/my-turn-for-electrical-system-failure-now-fixed.3693/post-66439

2) Some folks here can't get Ford to resolve their problems. Screams of poor training or incompetence. When my ID.4 shutdown and the dealer found zero error codes it basically ruined my trust in it. Seeing proper repair stories now means training and understanding has improved. New EVs have more points of failure than ICE cars IMO.

 

[barryvo]

I'm also on the fence on the MME and Model Y. I'm not a big fan of Tesla but am impressed by their technology and lack of nagging problems that plague the MME. I love the how the MME looks and handles but am concerned about the horror stories posted on this forum. I want a car that is pretty much flawless and will not cause much drama or anguish. I think the MME a probably a solid five years away from working out the software bugs based on what is posted on the forum. Either car we get is likely going to be a commuter anyway, so the fact it may brick every other day will only be a minor inconvenience and not strand us in the middle of nowhere with a towing headache.

 

[Mach1E]

It sounds bad but

1) They replaced major parts like "battery module, positive contactor, negative contactor, but also the complete rear drive unit."

https://www.vwidtalk.com/threads/my-turn-for-electrical-system-failure-now-fixed.3693/post-66439

2) Some folks here can't get Ford to resolve their problems. Screams of poor training or incompetence. When my ID.4 shutdown and the dealer found zero error codes it basically ruined my trust in it. Seeing proper repair stories now means training and understanding has improved. New EVs have more points of failure than ICE cars IMO.

Makes sense.

But isn’t the lemon law limit 30 days? Not many could go a couple months without a car.

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