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My internet sales guy is "brokering" things at my local dealership...you might have luck contacting them and I agree a phone call is probably the best way for a response or to get the ball rolling for a response. The old guard doing new things never happens the way that one would want them because they just aren't used to doing business in that manner.
 

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I saw the Mach-E at the Chicago Auto Show last night and I really love it in person. I seem to look every day for new press on the car, and I saw this article this morning about the potential for dealer markups over MSRP. I can definitively state that if my selected dealer decides to try to pull that on me, as badly as I would like to own this vehicle and am loyal to Ford, I will take my business over to Tesla because I know I'm paying what they say I am, tax credit or not. I'm not naive enough to think I'm going to be paying anything less than MSRP on a Mach-E as I have on my previous cars, but I'm not about to be gouged on a depreciable asset because my dealer wants to prey on me thinking this is an emotional purchase. If Ford doesn't reign in their dealers on this one, they can expect a pretty lousy launch. That's my .02.
 

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Tesla shares next to nothing about their new models between time of fanatic/press unveiling and time of sale. I certainly hope Ford isn't trying to copy Tesla. I'm just pointing out that considering how far out we are from actual assembly lines being finalized, we actually have been receiving quite a bit of info. Much more than I was expecting, as we see the occasional news or blogger interviews with the Ford executives closely tied to MME development.
I agree that they've definitely shared a ton of info for how far out the launch is. I've been considering the RAV4 Prime as another option in case I don't want the Mach-E. The RAV4 comes out this summer, much earlier than the Mach-E and Toyota hasn't even released pricing yet, let alone the option to compare trim levels. The Ford Escape PHEV comes out this spring and it's still not configurable on their website. They've at least given a price, but still leave the all-electric range as "30+".

That being said, I'm still chomping at the bit for any scraps of info from Ford on the Mach-E.
 

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How do they do that? My understanding is that they have very limited control. Some draconian state laws still won't allow Tesla to sell direct.
They can’t. It’s an unrealistic expectation.
I’m sure Ford agrees that dealers abusing the situation for the dealers’ own gain is detrimental and of no value to Ford. If Ford could prohibit the practice, it would.
 

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How do they do that? My understanding is that they have very limited control. Some draconian state laws still won't allow Tesla to sell direct.
Ford does have some leverage over dealerships (indirectly via other incentives), but it's limited. They can't stop them outright from adding ADM. If most do it, there's not much they can do. If some do it against Ford's wishes, they could end up in Ford's doghouse (so to speak). And be given less favorable treatment in other ways.

The justification for mark-ups rests largely with supply-demand. It's a market price thing. If demand is significantly higher than supply, it bolsters their case for mark-ups. In other words, if there's likely to be other buyers lined up and willing to jump in and pay the price for that vehicle you just turned down. That's why even though I'm hoping for the Mach-e to be successful, I don't want to see these early reservation numbers go TOO high. That will probably go a long way toward estimating demand. I'm kinda hoping the reservations have petered out by now.
 

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Well, they are actually still doing a horrible job. They couldn't be bothered to send a mach-e to the philly auto show, and as of right now the NYC auto show is not listing one either. I'm not sure if they're bad at geography, but driving 4+ hours from NYC/NJ to the washington or boston shows to just be able to look at the outside of the car is asking a bit much. Had they at least publicized the schedule then some of the 20 million people in the NYC,NJ, and Philadelphia regions may have made the trek; I know I would have. But those shows are over, and it's now too late. So I guess I can see the car for the first time 8 months from now?
Auto shows are way overblown, and are best aimed at journalists who can then propagate their observations to a much wider audience online. Many automakers are cutting back on auto shows because they are very expensive for them to show at. I have never attended an auto show. I would rather that Ford take ten Mach-Es and send them on driving tours of America, spending a few days at each dealership, whereby all we'd have to do is drive on down to our local dealership to see a Mach-E (and even test-drive one, or ride in one) up close without the hassles of attending a car show in a big city that may be hard to get to. The main people benefitting from car shows are the owners of the convention venues (and local eateries).
 
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I actually find auto shows useful for a specific purpose: when comparing different cars, it's a way to generally get into them, touch them, see them, sit in them, etc. without sales people crawling all over me. Yes, that means no test drive, etc. (although that's often possible in a very limited way at an auto show), but it makes it easy to kick out vehicles. For example, I sat in a Volt and a Bolt a few years back and immediately knew I didn't want either one based on how I fit in the seats and how the interiors presented. No reason to deal with a dealer for that. For example, at the DC show a couple of weeks ago, I was able to get into a Gladiator (!) enough to realize that no, I really don't care about them, not at what they are charging or anything close to it, without anyone bothering me... that was worth the cost of admission to me.
 

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I actually find auto shows useful for a specific purpose: when comparing different cars, it's a way to generally get into them, touch them, see them, sit in them, etc. without sales people crawling all over me. Yes, that means no test drive, etc. (although that's often possible in a very limited way at an auto show), but it makes it easy to kick out vehicles. For example, I sat in a Volt and a Bolt a few years back and immediately knew I didn't want either one based on how I fit in the seats and how the interiors presented. No reason to deal with a dealer for that. For example, at the DC show a couple of weeks ago, I was able to get into a Gladiator (!) enough to realize that no, I really don't care about them, not at what they are charging or anything close to it, without anyone bothering me... that was worth the cost of admission to me.
For still being open about which of many vehicles to buy, that makes sense. Especially if they let you sit in them.

Unfortunately neither applies for many of us here. Many of us have already decided we want the Mach-e (unless there's some showstopper with it). And sadly, it appears most US auto shows aren't allowing people inside the vehicle.
 
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For still being open about which of many vehicles to buy, that makes sense. Especially if they let you sit in them.

Unfortunately neither applies for many of us here. Many of us have already decided we want the Mach-e (unless there's some showstopper with it). And sadly, it appears most US auto shows aren't allowing people inside the vehicle.
That's completely fair - just was pointing out that I don't agree with the general sentiment that auto shows are in general a waste of time or overblown.

(that said this is somewhat of a diversion from the main topic of the thread :))
 

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. For $500 bucks I expect an occasional “Hey, how ya doin”? from Ford.
I expect some “you heard it here first” pics and specs and delivery stuff so buyers get the news first vs. the media.
 

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I expect some “you heard it here first” pics and specs and delivery stuff so buyers get the news first vs. the media.
Exactly right. No better way to generate loyalty and easy to do.
 
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