I no longer own a Mach-E

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I'm not ready for a full on review yet, but here's a quick list of pros and cons when compared to the MME. This is just off the top of my head, and in no particular order:

Pros
  • Infotainment is much more responsive
  • Can view multiple things on the screen at the same time
  • Massaging seat
  • Front seats have a huge number of adjustments and are much more comfortable
  • Steering wheel is power adjustable, so can be linked with seat position to driver profiles
  • HUD
  • Ventilated seats
  • Heated/ventilated seats in the back
  • “Driver Only” setting for HVAC
  • Can customize the behavior of air recirc
  • Sunroof opens (front only)
  • Sunroof has shades (front and rear)
  • Rear windows have sun shades
  • Light on the dash shows when HVB is charging the LVB (and it does it often)
  • Universal charge limit is not based on location (could also be a con)
  • Apple Car Key/PaaK without app running and can easily be shared with others (phone and watch)
  • Manual battery preconditioning from in car or app
  • Remote 360 pictures through web or app
  • Kia Access app shows much more info about car status and has more functionality than FordPass
  • Instant power usage display (by percent and kW)
  • Frunk and remote start buttons on the fob
  • Can be unlocked and started with NFC key card
  • Can be started with fingerprint
  • Manual key to unlock in the event of a dead 12V battery
  • Easy access to the 12V battery
  • Paddles for regen levels (independent of drive mode)
  • Customizable drive mode
  • Blind spot cameras
  • Smart Park uses lines, not just other cars
  • Remote Smart Park (don't have to be in the car)
  • Physical buttons for trunk, frunk, cameras, auto-hold
  • IPC shows charging speed
  • Great charging curve
  • Clutch that disconnects the front motor in Eco mode
  • Power distribution display (front/rear)
  • Confirmation for automatic speed limit changes
  • No subscription fee for Highway Drive Assist 2
  • Can fast forward and rewind in SXM
  • CarPlay always connects
  • Qi phone charger works much better
  • OTA updates are posted on the Kia owner site as they’re released, and the app shows which ones your car has received

Cons
  • Heated seat/wheel doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • 1PD doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • Link seat/wheel to climate is missing
  • Headlights on with wipers doesn’t exist
  • No courtesy wipe setting
  • Can’t remotely turn on heated seat (but can remotely turn on wheel)
  • No charge session history
  • No sunglass holder
  • No pillar code to unlock
  • Lame forum
  • Kia Diagnostic Software prohibitively expensive (a lot more than FDRS)
  • No FORScan equivalent
  • App isn’t free after 3 years
Impressive for just off the top of your head! I may have missed it but can you comment on ability to use the Tesla supercharger network?
 

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I'm not ready for a full on review yet, but here's a quick list of pros and cons when compared to the MME. This is just off the top of my head, and in no particular order:

Pros
  • Infotainment is much more responsive
  • Can view multiple things on the screen at the same time
  • Massaging seat
  • Front seats have a huge number of adjustments and are much more comfortable
  • Steering wheel is power adjustable, so can be linked with seat position to driver profiles
  • HUD
  • Ventilated seats
  • Heated/ventilated seats in the back
  • “Driver Only” setting for HVAC
  • Can customize the behavior of air recirc
  • Sunroof opens (front only)
  • Sunroof has shades (front and rear)
  • Rear windows have sun shades
  • Light on the dash shows when HVB is charging the LVB (and it does it often)
  • Universal charge limit is not based on location (could also be a con)
  • Apple Car Key/PaaK without app running and can easily be shared with others (phone and watch)
  • Manual battery preconditioning from in car or app
  • Remote 360 pictures through web or app
  • Kia Access app shows much more info about car status and has more functionality than FordPass
  • Instant power usage display (by percent and kW)
  • Frunk and remote start buttons on the fob
  • Can be unlocked and started with NFC key card
  • Can be started with fingerprint
  • Manual key to unlock in the event of a dead 12V battery
  • Easy access to the 12V battery
  • Paddles for regen levels (independent of drive mode)
  • Customizable drive mode
  • Blind spot cameras
  • Smart Park uses lines, not just other cars
  • Remote Smart Park (don't have to be in the car)
  • Physical buttons for trunk, frunk, cameras, auto-hold
  • IPC shows charging speed
  • Great charging curve
  • Clutch that disconnects the front motor in Eco mode
  • Power distribution display (front/rear)
  • Confirmation for automatic speed limit changes
  • No subscription fee for Highway Drive Assist 2
  • Can fast forward and rewind in SXM
  • CarPlay always connects
  • Qi phone charger works much better
  • OTA updates are posted on the Kia owner site as they’re released, and the app shows which ones your car has received

Cons
  • Heated seat/wheel doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • 1PD doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • Link seat/wheel to climate is missing
  • Headlights on with wipers doesn’t exist
  • No courtesy wipe setting
  • Can’t remotely turn on heated seat (but can remotely turn on wheel)
  • No charge session history
  • No sunglass holder
  • No pillar code to unlock
  • Lame forum
  • Kia Diagnostic Software prohibitively expensive (a lot more than FDRS)
  • No FORScan equivalent
  • App isn’t free after 3 years
Did you forget about the 120V port inside the car and outside via an adapter for the charging port?

This vehicle will definitely be the replacement for my Pacifica Hybrid.

Can you please do an efficiency test at 70 mph with Eco more on and off?

RMoore, most companies do not have access to the Supercharger network yet. Just Ford and Rivian iicrc.
 
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I may have missed it but can you comment on ability to use the Tesla supercharger network?
No, because Tesla hasn't opened it up to Hyundai/Kia yet. That's supposed to come later this year, but who knows what will happen since Elon fired the entire Supercharger team. One downside of the 800V architecture is that the 500V Superchargers have to have their voltage stepped up, which limits the charging speed to about 90 kW. So CCS chargers will be preferred unless Tesla is the only option (or until V4 Superchargers become common). I do have the free adapter from Ford though, so I'll be ready when the day comes.
 
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Did you forget about the 120V port inside the car and outside via an adapter for the charging port?
Yes, I did forget! That's what I get for making a list off the top of my head. I haven't used it yet, but the 120V 15A power outlet in the trunk and the included V2L adapter for outside the vehicle are welcome additions. The EV9 also supposedly supports native V2H if you have a charger that supports it, like the Wallbox Quasar.

Can you please do an efficiency test at 70 mph with Eco more on and off?
I haven't done that specific comparison test yet, but I did take a road trip to Boston (about 240 miles each way) at mostly 70 mph and averaged 2.8 miles per kWh in Eco mode.
 


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I did take a road trip to Boston
How was charging in Boston? I’m there from time to time (mostly Newton) and find it a bit of a pain probably cause I just don’t know good spots and I didn’t find the apps like ABRP and others to be great for some reason.
 
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How was charging in Boston? I’m there from time to time (mostly Newton) and find it a bit of a pain probably cause I just don’t know good spots and I didn’t find the apps like ABRP and others to be great for some reason.
I didn't charge right in Boston. I stopped at EA at The Mall Of NH in Manchester on the way there and the EA at Walmart in West Lebanon, NH on the way back. The charging was free, but if I had to pay for it, it only would have cost about $5 since EA charges by the minute in NH and the EV9 charges so damn fast. Of course, now that I know the highway efficiency, I would have made it without stopping to charge at all. We stayed with family, and I was able to use a dryer outlet for a Level 2 charge overnight.
 
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Yes, I did forget! That's what I get for making a list off the top of my head.
Now I’m just going to keep remembering one-off things that I forgot. Like that the blended braking transition is so much smoother than the MME. The only way I can tell when the friction brakes engage is by watching for when the kW of power on the display stops going negative. With the MME, I could feel and hear when the friction brakes engaged every time.

Speaking of brakes, I also forgot to mention that the EV9 has a Brake Disc Cleaning Mode so you don’t have to shift to Neutral to clean the rust off the rotors. Once this mode is activated, regen will be disabled for the next 10 braking events. Kinda cool.
 

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I'm not ready for a full on review yet, but here's a quick list of pros and cons when compared to the MME. This is just off the top of my head, and in no particular order:

Pros
  • Infotainment is much more responsive
  • Can view multiple things on the screen at the same time
  • Massaging seat
  • Front seats have a huge number of adjustments and are much more comfortable
  • Steering wheel is power adjustable, so can be linked with seat position to driver profiles
  • HUD
  • Ventilated seats
  • Heated/ventilated seats in the back
  • “Driver Only” setting for HVAC
  • Can customize the behavior of air recirc
  • Sunroof opens (front only)
  • Sunroof has shades (front and rear)
  • Rear windows have sun shades
  • Light on the dash shows when HVB is charging the LVB (and it does it often)
  • Universal charge limit is not based on location (could also be a con)
  • Apple Car Key/PaaK without app running and can easily be shared with others (phone and watch)
  • Manual battery preconditioning from in car or app
  • Remote 360 pictures through web or app
  • Kia Access app shows much more info about car status and has more functionality than FordPass
  • Instant power usage display (by percent and kW)
  • Frunk and remote start buttons on the fob
  • Can be unlocked and started with NFC key card
  • Can be started with fingerprint
  • Manual key to unlock in the event of a dead 12V battery
  • Easy access to the 12V battery
  • Paddles for regen levels (independent of drive mode)
  • Customizable drive mode
  • Blind spot cameras
  • Smart Park uses lines, not just other cars
  • Remote Smart Park (don't have to be in the car)
  • Physical buttons for trunk, frunk, cameras, auto-hold
  • IPC shows charging speed
  • Great charging curve
  • Clutch that disconnects the front motor in Eco mode
  • Power distribution display (front/rear)
  • Confirmation for automatic speed limit changes
  • No subscription fee for Highway Drive Assist 2
  • Can fast forward and rewind in SXM
  • CarPlay always connects
  • Qi phone charger works much better
  • OTA updates are posted on the Kia owner site as they’re released, and the app shows which ones your car has received

Cons
  • Heated seat/wheel doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • 1PD doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • Link seat/wheel to climate is missing
  • Headlights on with wipers doesn’t exist
  • No courtesy wipe setting
  • Can’t remotely turn on heated seat (but can remotely turn on wheel)
  • No charge session history
  • No sunglass holder
  • No pillar code to unlock
  • Lame forum
  • Kia Diagnostic Software prohibitively expensive (a lot more than FDRS)
  • No FORScan equivalent
  • App isn’t free after 3 years
Clutch for front motor reconnects at 75-76mph with all E-GMP cars. You have to drive under that to hit the efficiency sweet spot. My Ioniq 5 went from 2.9 mi/kWh at 70mph to 2.1 mi/kWh at 85mph.
 
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Clutch for front motor reconnects at 75-76mph with all E-GMP cars. You have to drive under that to hit the efficiency sweet spot. My Ioniq 5 went from 2.9 mi/kWh at 70mph to 2.1 mi/kWh at 85mph.
Interesting. I guess I'll never experience that since the speed limits don't go that high around here.
 

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Hyundai/Kia are on a roll! I find they are the probably the most forward thinking and practical amongst the legacy makers when it comes to transitioning to EVs. Ahh who knew... the folks that brought us the Pony and Accent.
 

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Now I’m just going to keep remembering one-off things that I forgot. Like that the blended braking transition is so much smoother than the MME. The only way I can tell when the friction brakes engage is by watching for when the kW of power on the display stops going negative. With the MME, I could feel and hear when the friction brakes engaged every time.

Speaking of brakes, I also forgot to mention that the EV9 has a Brake Disc Cleaning Mode so you don’t have to shift to Neutral to clean the rust off the rotors. Once this mode is activated, regen will be disabled for the next 10 braking events. Kinda cool.

What's the procedure for the Mach E? Not familiar with that, is that an issue I haven't run into yet?
 
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What's the procedure for the Mach E? Not familiar with that, is that an issue I haven't run into yet?
Shift into Neutral before using the brake pedal every once in a while. That will force it to use the friction brakes, which will help clean the rust off of them. Of course, rust may not be an issue for you in Texas.
 

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I'm not ready for a full on review yet, but here's a quick list of pros and cons when compared to the MME. This is just off the top of my head, and in no particular order:

Pros
  • Infotainment is much more responsive
  • Can view multiple things on the screen at the same time
  • Massaging seat
  • Front seats have a huge number of adjustments and are much more comfortable
  • Steering wheel is power adjustable, so can be linked with seat position to driver profiles
  • HUD
  • Ventilated seats
  • Heated/ventilated seats in the back
  • “Driver Only” setting for HVAC
  • Can customize the behavior of air recirc
  • Sunroof opens (front only)
  • Sunroof has shades (front and rear)
  • Rear windows have sun shades
  • Light on the dash shows when HVB is charging the LVB (and it does it often)
  • Universal charge limit is not based on location (could also be a con)
  • Apple Car Key/PaaK without app running and can easily be shared with others (phone and watch)
  • Manual battery preconditioning from in car or app
  • Remote 360 pictures through web or app
  • Kia Access app shows much more info about car status and has more functionality than FordPass
  • Instant power usage display (by percent and kW)
  • Frunk and remote start buttons on the fob
  • Can be unlocked and started with NFC key card
  • Can be started with fingerprint
  • Manual key to unlock in the event of a dead 12V battery
  • Easy access to the 12V battery
  • Paddles for regen levels (independent of drive mode)
  • Customizable drive mode
  • Blind spot cameras
  • Smart Park uses lines, not just other cars
  • Remote Smart Park (don't have to be in the car)
  • Physical buttons for trunk, frunk, cameras, auto-hold
  • IPC shows charging speed
  • Great charging curve
  • Clutch that disconnects the front motor in Eco mode
  • Power distribution display (front/rear)
  • Confirmation for automatic speed limit changes
  • No subscription fee for Highway Drive Assist 2
  • Can fast forward and rewind in SXM
  • CarPlay always connects
  • Qi phone charger works much better
  • OTA updates are posted on the Kia owner site as they’re released, and the app shows which ones your car has received

Cons
  • Heated seat/wheel doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • 1PD doesn’t survive ignition cycle
  • Link seat/wheel to climate is missing
  • Headlights on with wipers doesn’t exist
  • No courtesy wipe setting
  • Can’t remotely turn on heated seat (but can remotely turn on wheel)
  • No charge session history
  • No sunglass holder
  • No pillar code to unlock
  • Lame forum
  • Kia Diagnostic Software prohibitively expensive (a lot more than FDRS)
  • No FORScan equivalent
  • App isn’t free after 3 years
How's the frunk space compared to the MME?

It came quite handy on our Christmas drive when I discovered it fit a whole carry-on suitcase.
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