I was considering a plug-in hybrid

[SWO]

Others may disagree, but I would go with a non-plugin hybrid if you are not going BEV. I see a PHEV as compromised relative to either a BEV or a HEV. Electric range is restricted and your mileage is reduced once the battery is depleted.

There are some real nice hybrids out available, and they provide most of the benefits of a hybrid drivetrain. They will likely also be cheaper than the similar PHEV.

If reliability is the issue, a hybrid may not be better than a BEV. You have both parts of the drivetrain, and many models require both parts to be working before the car is allowed to start.

All that said, there are use cases where a PHEV is exactly the correct solution.

On paper that makes sense. Our Escape PHEV has better EV efficiency than our Mach-E. I regularly get 4mi/kwh. I get free charging at work so do my ~60mi commute for almost free , and can do a 1000mi road trip without dealing with EA or any of that BS. It gets 47mpg combined, 40mpg HW....same as the Escape Hybrid.

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[Jerrytball]

On paper that makes sense. Our Escape PHEV has better EV efficiency than our Mach-E. I regularly get 4mi/kwh. I get free charging at work so do my ~60mi commute for almost free , and can do a 1000mi road trip without dealing with EA or any of that BS. It gets 47mpg combined, 40mpg HW....same as the Escape Hybrid.

My only shocker was when I saw the MSRP of that escape $47,000 plus I really did not expect that I was thinking more it was in the 30s I mean that sells more or even right even with the Mustang right now.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Thank you I’m sorry I’m getting frustrated but it’s just I saw a thread out here this morning where this guy sold his 22 or 21 mustang to somebody for $40,000 and I’m like holy shit I had to be able to get that in trade at the dealer and for them to tell me $30,000 today And I was willing to buy another car from them and do a lease so would be the best way for me to go to get a lower payment I can afford the payment. I have right now. I would just like to get something lower and be able to utilize my level two charger , the fact that they show me and then they don’t even pay off my car the extra 2000 and then they tell me to put down $4000 and then the payments are gonna be 750 on an escape. Are you kidding me so when I saw the Mitsubishi and talk to him, they were all positive but then when he came back and said we can give you 16,000 I’m like forget that , just put your car through Carvana 36,200 for the car and then if you trade it on Carvana they give you a 39,000 but you’re getting mostly used cars but I have bought three cars from Carvana and their cars are always great shape. But I figure the easiest way to do it would just be take the 36,000 that would pay off my loan that would give me an extra $4000 in my pocket and then go out and lease a car because I like to change cars out every two years and I could probably get something under $480 a month when I’m paying now I can’t afford it. I’m just wanting to hang onto my charger.

That dude is Canadian. 40 cad is less than 30 usd.

 

[Jerrytball]

That dude is Canadian. 40 cad is less than 30 usd.

Ah ok, after I moved away 50 years ago from upper Michigan, I never really thought too much about Canadian money conversion. I focus more on Japanese yen so I wasn’t really thinking it was that much off, but I guess it is. we watch a lot of Japanese TV lol

 

[Sunburned]

Others may disagree, but I would go with a non-plugin hybrid if you are not going BEV. I see a PHEV as compromised relative to either a BEV or a HEV. Electric range is restricted and your mileage is reduced once the battery is depleted.

There are some real nice hybrids out available, and they provide most of the benefits of a hybrid drivetrain. They will likely also be cheaper than the similar PHEV.

If reliability is the issue, a hybrid may not be better than a BEV. You have both parts of the drivetrain, and many models require both parts to be working before the car is allowed to start.

All that said, there are use cases where a PHEV is exactly the correct solution.

People really need to stop pushing this narrative of "PHEV is a compromised solution". If someone already has an EV and charges it at their home, a PHEV is exactly the right solution. It takes away any charging issues on long trips, but lets you run on electric almost all the time day to day.

I wanted a PHEV before buying my Mach-E, but the deal ended up being good and my wife liked it a lot. I commute 58 miles a day and can charge every night, but we go on multi-hour trips quite often, and normally to rural places without charging infrastructure. PHEV with 40 or more mile range would have been perfect for me and would be perfect for most EV drivers.

 

[Jerrytball]

People really need to stop pushing this narrative of "PHEV is a compromised solution". If someone already has an EV and charges it at their home, a PHEV is exactly the right solution. It takes away any charging issues on long trips, but lets you run on electric almost all the time day to day.

I wanted a PHEV before buying my Mach-E, but the deal ended up being good and my wife liked it a lot. I commute 58 miles a day and can charge every night, but we go on multi-hour trips quite often, and normally to rural places without charging infrastructure. PHEV with 40 or more mile range would have been perfect for me and would be perfect for most EV drivers.

Last night I did an online quote with the local Honda dealer and while I was reading this, they just called me and I told him I noticed they don’t have any plug-in hybrids but then they just told me they have a 2025 prologue coming in, which is about the same size as the CRV which I’m not sure how big it is compared to the Mustang but anyways, I told them Point blank look don’t call me if number one you can’t give me 35 or more for my car because I want my car paid off and I want some cash in my hand so if I do need to make a lease deal or some other deal, I can put that extra money down and I don’t want my payments running any higher than I did with my Mustang so Pretty much stop at Honda if they can’t meet my goal I didn’t throw Carvana’s name out there as a threat to them. It’s a fact that Carvana will give me 36,200 so they can’t come close to that I’m keeping my Mustang. And I’ve said it before I’ve always been a gas powered car guy. I’m down here in South Mississippi where like I’ve said many times I’ve seen maybe three electric mustangs down here. They’re not a popular car down here and they sell them over in the other state for $20,000 they said brand new so, I’m not gonna research it. That’s what they’re telling me. I’m fine but I’m not taking less than 35 for my car.

 

[Jerrytball]

People really need to stop pushing this narrative of "PHEV is a compromised solution". If someone already has an EV and charges it at their home, a PHEV is exactly the right solution. It takes away any charging issues on long trips, but lets you run on electric almost all the time day to day.

I wanted a PHEV before buying my Mach-E, but the deal ended up being good and my wife liked it a lot. I commute 58 miles a day and can charge every night, but we go on multi-hour trips quite often, and normally to rural places without charging infrastructure. PHEV with 40 or more mile range would have been perfect for me and would be perfect for most EV drivers.

Like I was saying earlier, the Honda dealer supposed to be calling me back, but just doing a little research one it doesn’t look like the Honda CRV plug-in is available in the United States and the new prolong they’re talking about. Sounds like it’s all electric so I’m not sure Honda makes anything right now in the United States plug-in hybrid do they I can’t find anything on any lots.

 

[Doobster6]

So the fact that I have 6000 miles on my 23 GT in excellent condition and everything is working on it plus I’ve added a few things to it. I figured even though I owe 32,000 on it 0% loan, I thought for sure I could get it paid off, but went to the dealer that I bought the car from to look at a $42,000 plug-in escape oh my God anyways the best they’ll do is 30 and so I looked at Carvana, Carvana will give me 36,200 and if I did a trade-in through Carvana, they would give me 39,000 and some change. so Mitsubishi has some pretty good looking plans out there and that outlander plug-in hybrid it’s a pretty good looking car and has some nice options. I went and looked at it, very comfortable and they had a lot of different incentives and everything but the best they would do was 16,000 trade and I’m like I almost fell over. And their excuse was they’ve got these mustangs over in another state like mine just sitting there on the lot $20,000 and I said well I haven’t seen any at that price and I said to offer me 16 is just absolutely Ludacris. So I guess what I’m gonna do is just hang onto my car, pay off, not ahead of time just keep making payments and deal with anything that comes up if it fails at all, which I’m hoping it doesn’t, kind of why I was wanting to go with plug-in hybrid to maybe move to something more maybe not reliable but maybe wouldn’t have as many issues as the Mustang, not mine now, but many others out here on the forum. So I’m hanging onto it.

I strongly considered PHEVs before leasing my 2024 Premium-4Xt MME two months ago. In my research, the best existing solution from all my research was the almost-unheard-of Honda Clarity produced 2018-2021. It boasted 47 miles of EV range and was large and comfortable inside. But many Honda dealers have never even heard of one, the 21s are almost non-existant on the used market, and the more commonly found 2018s I judged as too old. The Chevy Volt, with even more EV miles is just too small. Other newer competitors like the Hyundai/Kia models still include a conventional 6-spd automatic trans and only 33 EV miles under ideal conditions. The Mitsi Outlander advertises a higher EV number but then delivers miserable mpg with the gas engine. My use-case needs at least 45 miles of EV range so that cold-weather range will still be useful, but only the Toyota Prime vehicles (Prius and RAV) come close enough to consider, and I didn’t like either of them. For me anyway, PHEVs for my needs aren’t here yet, so I switched to full EV and loved the MME best.
That said, when my MME lease expires in 2027 I will once again look around to see what has changed with PHEV offerings. Changing battery tech should by then be able to provide them 50+ miles of EV range, with a heat pump too to curtail gas engine use (for heating) in cold weather. But I’ve also just now described the most technologically complicated vehicle one can imagine, one that requires all of the normal ICE maintenance which then negates the BEV’s simplicity. If, in these next three years, battery tech improvements can also increase BEV range while the public charging infrastructure is also coincidentally improved, I would most likely stay with a BEV.
Anyway, everybody’s use-case is different, but this was my situation and conclusion in 2024, and this is my thinking going forward.

 

[Jerrytball]

I strongly considered PHEVs before leasing my 2024 Premium-4Xt MME two months ago. In my research, the best existing solution from all my research was the almost-unheard-of Honda Clarity produced 2018-2021. It boasted 47 miles of EV range and was large and comfortable inside. But many Honda dealers have never even heard of one, the 21s are almost non-existant on the used market, and the more commonly found 2018s I judged as too old. The Chevy Volt, with even more EV miles is just too small. Other newer competitors like the Hyundai/Kia models still include a conventional 6-spd automatic trans and only 33 EV miles under ideal conditions. The Mitsi Outlander advertises a higher EV number but then delivers miserable mpg with the gas engine. My use-case needs at least 45 miles of EV range so that cold-weather range will still be useful, but only the Toyota Prime vehicles (Prius and RAV) come close enough to consider, and I didn’t like either of them. For me anyway, PHEVs for my needs aren’t here yet, so I switched to full EV and loved the MME best.
That said, when my MME lease expires in 2027 I will once again look around to see what has changed with PHEV offerings. Changing battery tech should by then be able to provide them 50+ miles of EV range, with a heat pump too to curtail gas engine use (for heating) in cold weather. But I’ve also just now described the most technologically complicated vehicle one can imagine, one that requires all of the normal ICE maintenance which then negates the BEV’s simplicity. If, in these next three years, battery tech improvements can also increase BEV range while the public charging infrastructure is also coincidentally improved, I would most likely stay with a BEV.
Anyway, everybody’s use-case is different, but this was my situation and conclusion in 2024, and this is my thinking going forward.

That’s nice ride up. I guess my only anxiety down here and it’s not the car. My car runs fine. It’s just that they have one technician in the whole south east of Mississippi that can work on electric car and I just don’t want a loaner for three weeks or two months even though they’re gonna give me one to work on my car it’s just not, like having your own car had pick up truck for three weeks it was weird driving my car the first two days lol anyways I’m gonna see what Honda says. When they call me back. I just can’t see anything. I’m probably gonna hang onto. I love Mustang I don’t I’m waiting patiently for my damn adapter that’s still coming in September. I’m sure that’s gonna change September 1 to October, but I just like to have it to test it out on the Tesla station here but not traveling this car does everything I needed to do. It’s not costing me no gas money. I’m saving money every month , my electric bills only gone up about 20 bucks a month since I’ve had this car so pointless trying to trade my car if I’m happy with it I guess it’s just me getting anxious. I very active. I used to play a lot of sports cars have car have a motorcycle and I can’t do any of that anymore so I guess I’m trying to just , do something to satisfy my need for change. I don’t know. That’s just me and I admit it. Because the house I have doesn’t have a garage I gave my hot rod to my son 40 Ford then he turned around about a 65 nova and working on that and then he tore down the 40 Ford trying to get it all brand new suspension and everything so I have nothing to play around with here. I was even thinking about buying old Harley fixing it up putting it on the porch About $3500 for it. What do you have to have that you got me lol

 

[SWO]

My only shocker was when I saw the MSRP of that escape $47,000 plus I really did not expect that I was thinking more it was in the 30s I mean that sells more or even right even with the Mustang right now.

Yeah that's nuts. We paid $37k for ours in 21.

 

[Jerrytball]

Why would you think about paying off a zero percent loan early?

I guess what I’m saying I would not pay it off early. I’m saying if someone will give me more than what my payoff is and I wanted to move into. Let’s say a plug-in hybrid, something newer that’s the only way I’m not gonna take money out of my bank to pay it off that’s all I’m saying I would never take money out of the bank to pay off 0% loan that’s stupid. It’s hard to save up $32,000.

 

[RockwallRick]

So the fact that I have 6000 miles on my 23 GT in excellent condition and everything is working on it plus I’ve added a few things to it. I figured even though I owe 32,000 on it 0% loan, I thought for sure I could get it paid off, but went to the dealer that I bought the car from to look at a $42,000 plug-in escape oh my God anyways the best they’ll do is 30 and so I looked at Carvana, Carvana will give me 36,200 and if I did a trade-in through Carvana, they would give me 39,000 and some change. so Mitsubishi has some pretty good looking plans out there and that outlander plug-in hybrid it’s a pretty good looking car and has some nice options. I went and looked at it, very comfortable and they had a lot of different incentives and everything but the best they would do was 16,000 trade and I’m like I almost fell over. And their excuse was they’ve got these mustangs over in another state like mine just sitting there on the lot $20,000 and I said well I haven’t seen any at that price and I said to offer me 16 is just absolutely Ludacris. So I guess what I’m gonna do is just hang onto my car, pay off, not ahead of time just keep making payments and deal with anything that comes up if it fails at all, which I’m hoping it doesn’t, kind of why I was wanting to go with plug-in hybrid to maybe move to something more maybe not reliable but maybe wouldn’t have as many issues as the Mustang, not mine now, but many others out here on the forum. So I’m hanging onto it.

We sold our 21 Premium AWD MachE back to Ford in Nov of 22 and then used that money to buy a 23 Outlander PHEV. It gets around 40 miles of pure EV which covers most of our local driving. Last year we did 3 major road trips in it totaling over 9K miles. The main reason for selling the MachE was due to lack of confidence in the charging infrastructure! For our needs, PHEV was the best choice!!

 

[Jerrytball]

We sold our 21 Premium AWD MachE back to Ford in Nov of 22 and then used that money to buy a 23 Outlander PHEV. It gets around 40 miles of pure EV which covers most of our local driving. Last year we did 3 major road trips in it totaling over 9K miles. The main reason for selling the MachE was due to lack of confidence in the charging infrastructure! For our needs, PHEV was the best choice!!

I probably could not have said that better. I guess that’s kind of my mindset?

 

[Snakebitten]

This is not a diss of the Corvette.

But I see no resemblance in the Ford GT. None. Zero.

One is pure artistry and a faithful reflection of cherished history.

The other looks like a corvette

 

[ARK]

Jerry, some of the best trade in values you can get come from dealers with an online presence where you don’t need to take the car in to get a quote. I recommend you try Driveway and Autonation, I have had the best values from those two.

If you like changing vehicles often, consider lightly used pre-owned vehicles as well. Any new car sold after a year or two is going to give you financial heartburn.

If you like EVs, you can use what you are experiencing with the Mach-E to your benefit - used EV values across all brands are down significantly.

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